GTA IV looking better on PS3 than Xbox 360?
The latest issue of PSM Uk summed up a nice list of 50 reasons why you need GTA IV. The list basically consists of gameplay arguments, but when they reach the 43rd argument, they’re saying that the Playstation 3 version of the game will be much better than the Xbox 360 equivalent.
Since this is coming from a dedicated Playstation magazine the statements should be taken with a large grain of salt. We also have no idea where they’ve got their information from since there are only a few people on this planet that have had the pleasure of looking at/playing this game.
The PS3 hard drive and CPU should deliver a smoother GTA IV than on Xbox 360, not least because of texture streaming. Less loading, more detail and vibrant colour palette should make PS3 GTA IV stand head and shoulders above the Xbox 360 version. But what about the Xbox 360’s exclusive episodic content? Well, chances are, the PS3 will have similar downloads at some point in the future. If not, we should have PSP connectivity and multiplayer to look forward too. In your face, Microsoft!
There’s also an interesting quote about the downloadable content which is the Xbox 360’s strong suit, but not if it’s coming to the Playstation store as well after a while. Should the information above turn out to be true, it could be a major blow to the Xbox 360 selling streak.
Thanks to Lotus 111s for submitting this news.
two words. Sony Fanboys
shut up andrew. Rockstar have even come out saying that it is hard to develop on the 360 due to the lack of HDD on the core unit because of catching or some other random thing.
Caching maybe?
im pretty sure thats not true, it is a well know fact that it is lot easier to create game for the 360 rather that he ps3 due to the workings of the system Architecture. the 360 power pc cpu is basically a custom version of a pc’s. and is designed for geeral perpose much like the comp ur on at the mo, the ps3 cells working are different designed more for digital entertainment rather then programing of video games, hence the BR Drive HD features and i must admit better media function that the 360 which MS have know on lockdown. fags,
Will the 360 and the ps3 both offer online and if they do wich one will be better??????
Geez Xbox fanboys PS3 fanboys, Give it a rest. I enjoy both systems. I’ve noticed the graphics for call of duty are equally beautiful. The only thing that makes the PS3 better hardware wise is the cell technology which will probably never be used. Yes the PS3 has better hardware and has all the standard formats for the gamer who enjoys the total entertainment experience. But graphics on games for now look identical through my eyes. I have neither but I will soon have both. But if you know technology you would know that the Xbox 360 is an obsolete piece of hardware compared to that of the PS3. Love em both, But that’s just the way it is.
I have both 360 and ps3 and I like them both. Honestly before I have 360 I was a playstation fan and hated xbox, but now I have 360 also and I love it. I have madden 08 for 360 and for ps3 and I must admitt that the 360 version is better. The only thing I hate about 360 is the online just because the fact that you have to pay for it and ps3 you can just play online for free. Also on ps3 I can play blueray movies on 1080p and 360 I cant. I didnt have hdmi plug on my 360 which kinda of piss me off so my 360 run on 1080i and my ps3 run on 1080p, I didnt notice the difference though so I didnt really care I guess. Anyway for you fanboys out there just shut the fuck up I have BOTH SYSTEM and I like them all,so if you DONT even have BOTH SYSTEM QUIT comparing them because you fags probably just heard it from other people not actually see it for yourself. Both system have their pros and cons and both of them have their advantages and disadvantages other wise they both good system. I just bought both of them because I CAN, so fanboys SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Ok, I am in no way, shape, or form a specialist in any catergory pertaining to all the intricate details that go into developing a game. Also, I own both consoles and am constantly torn when there is a multi-platform game. BUT, It is my undertsanding that in order to achieve true high definition, the hardware has ot be capable of decoding the information. Hence the reason for BD and HD players. Now, how is that the 360 can produce a game at 1080p, when its just a basic DVD player? I’m just asking, not being sarcastic.
As for the multi-platform games…I usually buy them for the 360, as most of my friends own one. The only game I have for both consoles is COD4. I must say that the graphics are slightly better on the PS3, especially the online play.
I truly believe that it comes down to a matter of preference, and what most of the people that you know own. Thats the only thing that ever sways me torwards the 360. That and the fact that the ps3’s user interface for online really sucks.
Well, idk, since Rockstar themeselves are still definitely in Sony’s corner, I wouldn’t be suprised…
still getting the 360 version though
r u serious? what kind of journalism is that… freakin crap! give us something solid or otherwise shut yer trap tools!
Did they mention the great use of rumble-feedback? Thought not
I e-mailed Rockstar to ask about rumble feedback on the Dualshock 3 Contoller and they said that It will!
They’re just building themselves up for a fall, killzone trailer anyone?
Why yes killzone trailer please
Hmmm i smell humble pie
sure GTA IV will lmao (fanboys)
GPU Transistor Count
PS3 - RSX transistor count: 300.2 million transistors
Xbox 360 - Xenos transistor count: 337 million (232 million parent die+105 million EDRAM daughter die)
GPU clock
Xbox 360 - Xenos clocked at 500 Mhz
PS3 - RSX clocked at 500 MHz
GPU video memory
Xbox 360 - Xenos: 512 MB of 700 Mhz GDDR3 VRAM on a 128-bit bus
Xbox 360 - Xenos: 10 MB daughter Embedded DRAM as framebuffer (32GB/s bus, multiplied by 8 thanks to multisampling unpacking for an effective bandwidth of 256 MB/s, the internal eDRAM bandwidth)
PS3 - RSX: 256 MB GDDR3 VRAM clocked at 650 Mhz on a 128-bit bus
PS3 - RSX: 256 MB of Rambus XDR DRAM via Cell (with latency penalty)
Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec
Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.1 Billion Vertices/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 0.825 Billion Vertices/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)
Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Texels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 11.0 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)
Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.4 Billion Texels/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 3.3 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)
Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 17.6 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)
Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 26.4 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 22.0 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)
Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)
Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - additional 20.0 GB/sec when reading from XDR memory (with latency penalty)
Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture
do you even know what these statistics mean. most of them dont even matter and are practically the same thing. and there is also a lot of performance catogories left out from theses statistics. put the rest up if you want this to be fair.
… no thats alot of the main test i’d run
LOL you dumb ass… The 360 doesnt have ddr3 or memory ram, the ps3 does and you know why, because the ps3 came out a year after. And the cell processor of the ps3 is much more powerfull then what the 360 on is… Where the fuck did you get your shitty statistics aass hole !
yes the xbox 360 does have main memory ram hich is 256mb which im certain of the reason why the consoles memrory is recorded as 512mb is bcoz its sharedeith the GPU memory which is also 256, both are unified hence the 512 statements. the ps3 has also got a better GPU card in terms of clcok speed at 550mege-hertz 360 at 500. but this its the full story its in how the cpu handle transcoding of data in different way. seriously thought come on at the mo the 360 has better graphics compared to the ps3 no doubt about that but imcertain in the future it will be the opposite.
well you know, when we are playing the game side by side on an xbox and a ps3 you can just show me where any of this differences will even play a slight degree of difference, i really dont care if I can see niko’s nose in his shadow a little better on the ps3, I really really dont, an if you do, your so wrapped up in this stupid number crunch shit that your treating your ps3 like its your girlfriend, fucking faggots
just shut up i bet you dont even know what they mean . probaly since you had the 360 first you think it’s better, ps3 is god GOD
I guess everything should be fine then as we are only asking for 1920 x 1080p x 60 fps = 124416000 pixels per second.
I’d also like to see some nice physics and lots of cars / pedestrians and other stuff moving around, how does the PS3 compare to the 360 for stuff like that?
Judging by how PS3 and 360 hanbdle other games, there will be a lot of slowdown in single player on PS3
Not True, most of the slowdown was caused by the slow transfer speed of data from the BluRay drive. To get over this, you have to install the game to the Hard Drive. Yes, it restricts you as to the number of games you can actually ‘pick up and play’ ( for the 40gb version, you can have around 7 or 8) but for PS3 owners, its the best compromise.
Cell.
Argument over, PS3 wins.
If Cell is so powerful, why can 360 play games straight from the disc while PS3 increasingly has to install to the Hard Drive to match the quality.
There is nothing I love more than seeing dopey fanboys and their magazines make retarded comments about things they are pulling from their butts.
If some of you morons had half a brain and some common sense you would realize how stupid you sound. Lets see, the XBOX1 was more powerful than the PS2 yet all the GTA games were practically identical. Hmmm. I wonder why? Oh, did we fail to realize that all the pictures on this new GTA is from the 360 version? I guess since Oblivion used the “Cell” it turned out sooooooooo much better than the 360 version.
Here’s a clue. It doesn’t benefit developers to make one version of the same game better than the other if they are going to be released around the same time on seperate consoles. Let that rattle the two beans shaking in that empty mallet. Oh, if you haven’t realized that most multiplatform games are done on one console and ported to the other. Hence why the previous GTAs did not look significantly different from PS2 to XBOX.
Expect the 360 to be the leading platform since it has the bigger install base in the US and for it to be ported to the PS3 with minimal enhancement.
Argument over, everyone wins!
agreed!
Wtf, you can’t port an xbox game to ps3! You have to write it from the ground up! xbox fanboy! lol
oh ya u forgot about the dang cells.. b/c there sooooo much better.
Sorry…but you’re wrong most games that will go across multiple system are written with a lot of generic C++ libraries the only thing that is written from the ground up are the render engines for each system since each system comes with a different Development Kit.
Forgot link:
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=2&cId=3159268
Rockstar Table Tennis? Was that on PS3?
Development of three years? When did the PS3 launch? Hmmmmmmmmm.
what are you even trying yo say??
So this is what makes a game valuable these days? How complex and lifelike the graphics are? What happened to the days when a game’s worth was measured by how fun it is, not how close to reality it is?
Splinter Cell Double Agent anyone?… Last I checked (and I did) it looked far better on xbox 360, despite being released about 6 months after the 360 and PC versions. Doesn’t matter how powerful the PS3 is, developers are not going to spend all that extra time on the “difficult-to-code-for” PS3 to make a game look only slightly better than another version because it is not worth their while. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter how pretty a game looks if it doesn’t play well. Hopefully as well as making a pretty game, Rockstar are also working on rectifying GTA’s abominable controls and repetitive gameplay.
GTAs one of the best franchises ever u fool. san andreas was the best game ever
U xbox3shitty bois crack me up. CELL BABY!! Beat’s all hands down. OF COURSE it’s gonna be better on the PS3, it’s a better machine. U shitbox fools need to use common sense, dont be jealous cuz it’s gonna be better on the PS3, just buy a PS3 and u can have the same experience as us. And I don’t know why eveyone keeps talking about episodic content for the shitbox! Rockstar AND Sony have both already announced that PS3 will get it too. Sony don’t need to have some faggot with a fake tatoo to tell us that. What a fucking joke the xbox3shitty is!!!
ill buy one when a crackhead sells me one for 20 bucks!
it seams to me that you the crackhead
THATS how i got my ipod touch
i agree but your slightly misinformed. its true the cell destroys the 360’s processor but the 360’s graphics card is very slightly better. graphis will be about the same on both consoles but the ps3 has the potential to make richer environments and advanced physics.
English, m*therf*cker! Do you speak it?
Rockstar have actually announced that it will NEVER be out on PS3 actually. So if you are content with half the game, keep your PS3 , if you want the total experience, you need a 360.
No they said it will come out later as Microsoft paid them to have “dibs” just like all the other timed exlusives. It will come to Ps3 maybe a little different and later.
As for episodic content, ive read from one site that it will and another that it wont be released for the PS3. Who knows! Ill wait and see…
I bought a PS3 for Gran Turismo and Metal Gear Solid/Online, I cant wait for GTA IV!!! Im not buying a 360 because:
***you have to pay to go online (in the UK, dont know if its free in the US or not).
***you cant play Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Metal Gear Online.
***it doesnt output 1080p.
***ive never liked Halo so i wont miss that.
***360 is only cheaper if it doesnt have a HDMI out
***and its made by microsoft!
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^^ they are my views anyway.
as for all the spec crap “ooh 360 has 6 billion vertices a second, ooh the ps3 has a Cell cpu” - who cares as long as your happy with what youve got!
360 does have 1080p…unless it’s lying to me. i got hdmi out on normal premiuim purchase.
im gettin a ps3 end of 2008 so i can buy the new 120 gig model, and by them HOME will be out and all the great games, and anyway its going to be ps3’s year next year.
please dont be a fool, I play on 1080i all damn day through my HMDI port so please, know your shit before you spray it.
if your waiting for the 120gig, don’t. get ps3 now and just up grade. i have a ps3 but it has a 250 gig hdd in it
The episdic content ( the 2 episodes ) that Microsoft paid for ARE EXCLUSIVE TO 360 and owned by Microsoft.They have bought the exclusive rights to them They will never be released on PS3. This is FACT.
There may be other, smaller downloads released, but these are owned by Rockstar and will be out on PS3 and 360.
So, if the game is so good, you will have to get a 360 to enjoy the total package, or have a PS3 and settle for half the experience.
Actually, NO. It’s not fact at all. It’s extremely likely that Rockstar planned to create downloadable content for both systems before Moneysoft forked out the 50mil , and so made a few extra bucks for stuff they were planning to make anyway. And stop claiming that you know “2 episodes” are being made. No one knows what is being made yet. Yes 360 will get exclusive stuff, but whats to say PS3 won’t get their own exclusive content? The PS3 can handle it, the hard drives can handle it, and Rockstar gets to make more money.
And what’s this crap about “half the experience”? Hey, it’s not us PS3 owners who are missing out on half of the view distance in GTA IV. Take a proper look at the “facts” next time before you post.
When i posted this news i knew it would bring out the fanboys from both sides.
At the end of the day i think both games will look pretty much identical, but if it loads faster on the PS3 then thats the version i will get, if the Xbox360 version is in anyway superior but with slower loading times then that will be the version i get. It’s great having a choice :)
sounds like these ps3 fanboys are scared of the 360.
dont you just love it when all they can come up with to bash the 360 is by saying CELL.
you guys are a joke, get a life
your saying get a life but your the one who is on this site posting comments just like the rest of us. also last time i checked this was playstatic, bo back to xboxatic
i have a ps3 but i addmitt its not what i thouhgt it was going to be only because there are no good games out, they ve got the same graphics i dotn know why everyone says that the xbox 360 has better graphics theyve got teh same graphics card. so waht if xbox 360 have gamer points it looks sad when people have like 80,000 becasue it just means u dont have a life xbox 360 is a hazard that will cause fat people and so what if u have gears of war it aint that good. the one thing that pissed me off with sony when they cancelled saints row coming out i was looking forward to it and they say there bringing saints row 2 out in 2008 on it whats the point thats ages away. to conclude the consoles are both teh same except for microsoft dotn have idiots and cancel the best games.
What is sad is the quality of your post.
Fair enough make a spelling mistake here and there, people type fast and may not have a spellcheck on their browser. But that is no excuse for the shocking quality of you sentence structure. A lot of it doesn’t even make gramatical sense.
And you can’t really hold microsoft responsible for global obesity. That is down to the eating and excerise habits of the indivdual, if 360 is responsible so is PS3. Only one that can’t be given any responsibilty is the Wii, as at least that promotes some degree of exercise.
your the m*th*r f*c*ing shitbox fan boy
get a life!!!
exactly its better to stay nuetral, i dont have a ps3 myself and probably never will have one, but at the end of the day every game that has had multiplatform releases look identical on both machines so pointless bashing is a waste of time, just makes people look like tools.
get them both then and review which one is better once and for all!!!
well, seeing how it only loads once everytime you play it, thats a pretty stupid bias, and two the xbox version comes with an OPTIONAL install so it will load even faster, just like yours is going to have to install on your massive hardrive for 2 hours that never gets used cause you dont have things like Xbox live marketplace, with so mich fucking conetent its ridicilous, and really 14 gigs is all thats needed, really i promise you, …120 wtf are you going to do with 120 gigs
u dont have to buy a 120 gig ps3 u could just put a laptop hdd in there; that would allow u to not just get a laptop hdd cheaper but bigger than 120.x360 u have to buy there hdd which is just gay
And to that guy Joey…How is it that almost all of your specs shows the 360 beating the PS3 When almost everyone is saying that the PS3 is a little bit more powerful than the 360?
And the specs are just about even in both machines, with 1 beating the other in different areas and vice versa. I’d like to know where u got your info from. And also…why is it that everyone keeps saying that the PS3 is gonna lose to the 360 when the graphics are basically the same. And before a 360 or PS3 fanboy gets excited, Its not too much of a good thing for them to look identical.
Because think about it…The 360 has been out for almost 2 years, so it should have the graphical edge over the ps3. But instead the launch games for the ps3 weren’t superior to the 360, but they where close on it’s ass. And now the ps3 and the 360 are almost sayimese twins when it comes to graphics.
So imagine when the ps3 gets 2 years old. I think that when that time comes ppl will stop bashing the ps3. 360 owners must have forgot that they had a year headstart to learn how to program games while the ps3 was still under development. If the ps3 is this good out of the gate(motorstorm), and it took the 360 almost a year to make GoW, then imagine the future!
I have a 360 and in my opinion the games are getting close to maxed out, with games barely exeeding each other in terms of graphics. I think Gears of Wars was the most beautiful game ever made, but since then, I haven’t seen anything come close.
DVD: 8.5 gigs of data.
Blu-Ray: 50 gigs of data.
Even if the game’s only 14 gigs like Resistance, sacrifices will have to be made to force the game onto the smaller DVD disc for the 360. There will be details on the PS3 version that there is simply no room for on the Xbox.
This is how it’s going to be from here on out. The DVD drive is the 360’s ball and chain and it’s going to hold it back and drag it down.
Ever heard of Texture synthesis? No? Google it and come back.
Actually, yes I’ve heard of it. It’s just one of many techniques programmers will need to use to force these large HD games onto DVDs. They better hop to it too. How many more 6-level games like Gears of War do you think 360 players will put up with before demanding more for their money?
Well you may have heard of it, but clearly don’t understand it then though do you?
well it seams he does. when you make something smaller, it becomes comprimised. and resistance WILL NOT run on the 360 with the same specs due to the advanced AI using the cell and the 40P online. proven by insomniac. and they wouldnt lie just to better the ps3 coz ppl would find them out.
I may be wrong but are we not discussing a completely different thing here.
You are talking about compressing texture files, is it not true that the 360 and PS3 do textures in a different way, namely PS3 stores everything on the disc to be applied and the 360 creates them on the fly so not requiring the same dedicated space to carry the information?
XBOX 360 = high-end PC = 99% power usage
PS3 = true next-gen console = 20% power usage
Right now PS3 can produce superb 1080p games, XBOX 360 can’t produce worth sh!t in 1080p.
Virtua Tennis works perfectly in 1080P on both consoles. Which games that are out now on the PS3 are so ’superb’?
Virtua Tennis runs smoother in 1080p then 360. Gran Turismo HD, Ridge Racer 7, Ninja Gaiden Sigma… all moving at a consistent 60fps. I own a 360, I played GoW and there parts where it slowed down pretty badly and this game is only at 720p which suppose is utilizing 99% of 360 power. Just can’t imagine 1080p games on the 360.
Oh come on, Ridge Racer 7 looks like crap, Ninja Gaiden Sigma barely looks better than the Xbox version and GT:HD only has pretty car models, the backgrounds are butt ugly.
I own a Xbox 360 as well, and Gears of War looks way better than anything on Playstation 3 right now. The only game that’s graphically decent is Motorstorm and that’s not a launch game.
Besides, how would you know how much % of the 360’s processing power is being used?
*LMFOA* you really have no idea what you’re talking about… reviews, critics, people, friends were all impress with these games running in 1080p. atleast these games don’t have the noticable tearing and slowdowns in GoW…
quoted in the news ‘Epic says Gears of War pushes Xbox 360 to the max’ so I should say 100% but no console can be pushed to 100% so I said 99%.
You should check out this list:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/
and this list:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/
Apparently those critics seem to like Xbox 360 games quite a bit.
And dude, of course Epic says that the Gears pushes the Xbox 360 to the max, it would sound silly if they said “We only used 30% of the capacity because we’re lazy and don’t know how to develop for the 360″. I remember Ubisoft saying something similar about GRAW1 over a year ago. Now there’s GRAW2 and it looks better with a steadier framerate.
No game in the first couple of years of release of a console is going to push it to 100%.
Maybe 100% of what they are currently capable of, but I think you will be seeing a gradual improvement over time like you do with any console.
these are totally sony fan boys. plus rockstar would nopt put out a crapy game both will have their advantages.
I’m afraid that those who claim that the PS3 is “more powerful” than the 360 are sadly misinformed. The 360s GPU is MUCH more sophisticated than the PS3, as the 360 uses a cut down version of the ATI R600, DX10 card which uses a unified shader architecture, the PS3s RSX is a last generation 7800, the 360 as 10mberam which gives 4xAA for free, the cell processor is “theoretically” more powerful than the 360s triple core dual threaded cpu, however, thats only if a game is very carefully and specially coded for it, which is a generation away, and will certainly not be done for games that are cross-platform. In fact, given todays programming methods, and the fact that PC cpus more closely resemble the 360 than the PS3, and the former two have a vastly larger user base than the latter, the 360 has a realistically more powerful cpu than the PS3, as its easier to programme for, and has 3 general purpose CPUs compared to the PS3s one. AND even if the cell was programmed to its maximum potential, that is more than made up for by the 360s vastly superior architecture GPU.
In short, both are powerful, the 360 slightly more so, but both are more than enough to show off any current or near-future game, and the versions will be idential for GTA IV.
Sony fanboys, im sorry to break it to you.
You lose.
Anyone who thinks im wrong feel free to do some research and post something true. Until then, STFU.
To George:
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
You are forgetting several things, it’s not all about the GPU. The Cell has already proven see above link just what it can do with actual data modeling, the cell is a true super computer processor. Think physics. My major beef with the 360 when it came out was that it didn’t support HDMI. Now there are people that will say that component is just as good as the digital signal coming out of HDMI, they would be wrong this coming from someone that is a major videophile, has a background in broadcast TV, and have seen analog component interference. Yes folks it doesn’t matter how fancy of a monster cable you buy, the components inside are still going to be the cheapest they can put in them. Now it’s great that they came out with a new model with HDMI, however they didn’t really upgrade anything else about the box, I’m sorry but you maybe alright with a loud fan in your living room but when I’m watching a movie or playing a game, I want drop dead silence not a noisy fan.
your just a fool. everyone knows that the cell broadband engine is more powerful than the 360’s processor. folding@home has proved this.
So it folds proteins better than the 360, that is clearly worth the £425.
p.s. Knight, you’re something of a genius aren’t you :)
360 is a graphics powerhouse that seams to beat out the ps3 in every graphics heavy game (check out splinter cell double agent or FEAR to name a couple of new releases, download the video comparison on IGN) But that being said the choice not to include an HD does make them worse for larger environment games (oblivion on the ps3 and had better draw distances and looked better in the open world shots)
both Consoles have their draw backs, but I doubt you will see a major difference on either platform, if you read through the video release notes for the in game trailer it says those were running on 360 dev kits, so if your happy with those graphics they will look at least that good on the 360.
Sony fanboys you say? What is the title of the Magazine? The last time I checked it was a PlayStation Magazine. 360 is crap compared to the massive (figuratively speaking) powerhouse (again) that will do miles over the 360 in graphics. 360 fannys like to talk smack.
Just you wait ’till most of the anticipated games come out. MGS 4, Lair, Final Fantasy 13, Killzone II and etc all going to be hits on the PS3 as well as GTA IV and might I add God of War 3 next year. Hey 360 owners, just look out for the “Red Ring of Death” if you haven’t got it atleast once.
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion’s graphics are how do I put this a litle better on the PS3. The water looks more crisp but of course, water and the sky are the foremost easiest to render. The visuals for the faces are a tad bit more realistic. Just give’em time, the Shivering Isles expansion pack will eventually become availiable on the PS3.
I am very immpressed with MotoStorm running at full 1080p but hey even when it’s not, it looks great still. Resistance: FOM is just incredible and their working on Resistance: Rise of Man.
Aye well your name rings true.
@Looney:
Are you sure about MotorStorm in 1080p? - my PAL region copy outputs @ 720p (as stated on the back of the box) - so I’d be quite suprised if your did output @ 1080p
Everyone chill the fuck out. It will look the same on both systems…..
Its funny how people say its going to be better on the ps3 when the damn game is not even out yet . If you look at sonys track record it has not been good. games like madden, tony hawk, call of duty,splinter cell,just to name a few have been far better on the 360. I wish I never bought a ps3 in the first place. Its a very large and expensive paper weight . I have 10 ps3s in my store for a month and have not sold 1 .even customers have come in wishing they never bought one.
your saying, ‘look, the 360 graphics are better than the ps3′ but you dont understand that it is because it is being ported after being developed on yhe 360. now because EA games will start using the ps3 for initial development, when they are ported to the 360, the ps3’s graphics will be better.
Bullshit. Splinter Cell, THP8 and COD3 are near identical to the 360 versions. Only lazy porting and bullshit reviews separate them. What about the fucking dross on 360 at Launch?? Even stooping to xbox ports - Gun, TH Wasteland etc etc. If you are using your PS3 as a ‘paperweight’ fucking sell it….or, play Resistance online, Motorstorm, Oblivion, etc. Also what store do you run? My local games (independent) sells out whenever they are in stock.
Think you need to take a look at your own comment two up.
I also need to back the boy up on sales, because anyone I have asked in any branch of any gamestore (gamestation, game and a couple of idependents) have all said after week 2 sales have fell through the floor and they are selling hardly any, even the guys in the shops aren’t bothered about getting one and they get discount.
YESSSS! PS3 RULEZ!!!
Rules what exactly? King of overpriced paperwieghts?
ps3=£425
360= £279
WiFi adaptor= £70
HD DVD drive=£199
£648
is the ps3 still overpriced to you?
Yup because I don’t buy a console for HD movies, I don’t use Wifi on my console as it stays in the one spot and all the games are more expensive even the ones that were out on the 360 a year ago are more expensive than they were on the 360 at full price.
So yes it is. Don’t even try and defend the price.
With the PS3, you get what you pay for out of the box, being next gen technology like the CELL, blu-ray drive, bluetooth wireless controllers, SATA hard drive, Wi-Fi built in and a better looking system. With the 360, you also get what you pay for, being “The Red Rings of Death”, overheating issues, a noisy system, a brick power supply, and add-on options that cost more than they are worth. I don’t know about you, but buying a game console is similar to buying a car. Do you want a quality product or a piece of shit? Do you want something that will last or something that will breakdown? The 360 is plagued with too many system issues that exemplifies how inferior it is to the PS3. I was once a 360 owner, but due to the problems I experienced…I traded it in for a PS3 and I must say it was the best deal I ever made. Kinda like trading in a Yugo for a Mercedes.
Did you read the above post? Did you actually take in the points I made?
Did you notice after making the points?I also said don’t even try and defend the price to me because it is not worth the money.
And to reply to the points you make on the 360, never had one problem with mine, bought on release day in europe. The Power Brick doesn’t bother me as it ain’t even visable, I have no problems with overheating as I don’t keep my 360 wrapped in a towel in an oven like so many others seem to.
And to take your analogy (which is shit really), if consoles are like cars I would rather own the one that is more fun to drive, I wouldn’t go out and spend more money on the one with the fancy gadgets if they didn’t help me enjoy the ride in anyway.
So the point you make is basically the PS3 is an overpriced showpiece and the 360 is a prctical machine that does what it should.
You’re just a last-gen noob. How can a console that uses an old format, old optical drive, old external power supplies (that are only “barely visble” behind Mt. Fucking-Everest, old controllers (exactly the same as XBOX, just LESS buttons, and old network technology, be called next gen?
Face it, a complete 360 costs more than a complete ps3, and even then its nothing compared to it. Go ahead, call me a “sony fanboy”. But I own both consoles, and ps3 is much much better.
Not only the add-ons but having to f*cking pay to play online. Sorry, if I wanted to pay to play online I would start up WoW.
Not a very intelligent comment is it ME? this game will probably look very similar on both consoles with each console having its pros and cons. jeez guys what ever happen to just enjoying games(all technical advantages on whatever console wont matter if the game isnt fun)?
Lets face it, guys. It is the games, and the developers of those games that is going to make a difference.
Sony is in a precarious position because they basically declared that they were going to compete directly with Microsoft as the biggest thing.
Only problem is that Wii totally and completely stole the hype of the PS3.
With Wii stealing the PS3’s thunder, all you have left are the negative aspects about it. Xbox has managed to establish a huge install base that developers want to take advantage of, so as a result, you aren’t seeing many PS3 exclusives that really look good. This is going to keep the sales down, which is going to continue giving Xbox the advantage.
PS3 lacks the install base compared to the other two consoles, which doesn’t attract the developers. In turn, the lack of developers doesn’t attract new consumers to buy the console to increase the install base. Vicious cycle. Sony needs to do something major to SHOW consumers and developers alike that it really IS better than Xbox 360 or IT. WILL. FAIL.
COMPLETELY.
You can say all you want about which is technically superior. I won’t argue that. PS3 has disc capacity, and HDMI and all that crap, Xbox is easier to develop for, has more games, better online service, yadda yadda. But the consumers and developers are what makes or breaks the deal. My prediction is that Sony’s success will depend almost entirely on the success of LittleBigPlanet.
Not great having to base a consoles success on that of a glorified chat room though.
Wow, just reading all the comments is entertaining. Everyone is slinging all kinds of crap at each other. Look, the bottom line is that we are all gamers. It should be a win-win situation when everyone gets to enjoy a good game. The only drawback is paying the next gen price for it. Rather than be enemies in a war, we should work to be allies. Imagine cross-platform online gaming among all consoles. As long as everyone wins, then we should all be happen. Now let’s learn to get along little children! Peace Out!
i know, the lot of you needs to get a grip and get out more
I own a ps3 myself, and I think its great, even though I have to admit there arent alot of good games for it yet. A friend of mine owns a 360, and I saw it and it was cool too. Now, the only reason why people are ranting at each other about power etc, is because they dont want to lose. People look up sites at google, by typing “xbox better than ps3″ or vice versa (this is exactly what I did, but..whats the fucking poinT?). This is SOLELY because nobody wants to be the loser that just threw away alot of bucks. The only way for the next gen gamer to feel safe and happy, is to know they bought the right thing…the only way to get this safe feeling, is to make sure the other options SUCK (thats why most ps3 or xbox360 will never admit faults of their system) . Once you buy a console, you pick a side, and you fight and endless war over which console is best. If you lose the war, you are a loser because you spent money on the wrong thing, thats the whole IDEA
in a nutshell; leave it. Dont worry. Ofcourse there will always be losers who make up facts in their advantage, fuck them. LEAVE IT
The consensous amongst 3rd party devs is that the ps3 is the more powerful unit but its more difficult to code. Which is understandable when you realise that the Cell processer is still very new and that the PS3 is using a more advanced type RAM - XDR. Its going to take while before they ‘max out’ the ps3. The 360 on the otherhand is easy to code for because it uses older/extablished hardware and software (DirectX) which is familiar ground for them. A good example of the 360 at its best is GoW (2nd gen game). It looks great but so does the launch title Motorstorm on the ps3. Devs working on the ps3 are all saying the have yet to get the best out of the ps3!
So argubly, GTA IV could look a lot better on the ps3 if Rockstar put in the extra effort.
But why put in the extra effort for a smaller sales base?
damn i love u Glovner
are you queer?
my xbox broke same as my old xbox and all my friends who owned one. It was to noisy, you could hear it through the floor. Some pretty/colourfull games but they never kept me entertained. And i for one am using a educated guess that ps3 will have games with 100% more beautiful graphics and gameplay in its second year. yes its second year. xbox 360 is notnext gen it isa glorified first gen xbox in its 3rd year with only like what a 16% better graphics…..duh i use to lovexbox but not i play online for FREE and dont even here it running.
fuck my keyboard is broken sorry about the bad grammer.
i still like xbox btw but it was so damn noisy and i hated paying for online, i don’t give a shit about using its friend network to talk to virgins either.
The Cell Processor is essentially as powerful as 3 Xbox 360 CPU’s or 35 PlayStation® 2 CPU’s.
Xbox360:
The Xbox 360 GPU, manufactured by ATI, is the least PC-like of the two GPUs for a number of reasons, the most obvious being its 10MB of embedded DRAM. Microsoft announced that the 10MB of embedded DRAM has 256GB/s of bandwidth availble to it; keep this figure in mind, as its meaning isn’t as clear cut as it may sound.
The GPU operates at 500MHz and has a 256-bit memory interface to 512MB of 700MHz GDDR3 system memory (that is also shared with the CPU).
Another very prominent feature of the GPU is that it implements ATI’s first Unified Shader Architecture, meaning that there are no longer any discrete pixel and vertex shader units, they are instead combined into a set of universal execution units that can operate on either pixel shader or vertex shader instructions. ATI is characterizing the width of the Xbox 360 GPU as being 48 shader pipelines; we should caution you that these 48 pipelines aren’t directly comparable to current 16-pipeline GPUs, but rest assured that the 360 GPU should be able to shade and texture more pixels per clock than ATI’s fastest present-day GPU.
Playstation 3:
Now let’s move on to NVIDIA’s RSX; the RSX is very similar to a PC GPU in that it features a 256-bit connection to 256MB of local GDDR3 memory (operating at 700MHz). Much like NVIDIA’s Turbo Cache products, the RSX can also render to any location in system memory, giving it access to the full 256MB of system memory on the PS3 as well.
The RSX is connected to the PlayStation 3’s Cell CPU by a 35GB/s FlexIO interface and it also supports FP32 throughout the pipeline.
The RSX will be built on a 90nm process and features over 300 million transistors running at 550MHz.
Between the two GPUs there’s barely any information contained within Microsoft’s and Sony’s press launches, so let’s see if we can fill in some blanks.
You can have the worlds fastest computer but with hardly enough memory to run windows you got a fuck-up. And that’s why graphics cards are more important on game consoles. How can you offset the graphics card on to the processor without adequate memory???
You are all a shower of fuckin wankers!! Who gives a fuck honestly which is better! I personally think it will look fantasic on the Mega Drive.
I agree with sean you are all wankers, i own the 360 and the ps3 and all the other consols ever fuckin made because they are all superb,if you cant afford to do that tuf shit!! Get over it ha ha wankers
PS3 = 30% failure rate
That’s all I need to know. I refuse to purchase something that has a 1/3 failure rate. In a year Sony will dominate the market simply because their machines will actually work.
smooth one asshole
stupid form. ps3 failure rate is less than 1% while Xb360 is just over 30%. who would spend over $100 on something with a 30% failure rate?
Well it seems at least a good couple of million people will.
What a stupid fucking statement.
well actually i several million xbox360’s have had to have repairs.
Ok I don’t care about the little war you guys are having, but enough “Oh the PS3 will get the content later” “Its already on the disk” Wtf don’t you guys understand about the word EXCLUSIVE? Ok, continue your little war. Oh btw that article is completely one-sided
Same old arguments with every generation of games system ……..Vic 20 - ZX81, C-64 - ZX Spectrum, C-Amiga - Atari ST, Sega Master - NES and on and on and on……..
No one ever wins, all that happens is a “next” next gen comes out then it starts all over again.
Ha ha ha ha ha you bunch of tossers are not going to be able to buy it anyway when you reach 18 then start this thread again pricks the lot of you (bugger mine is fucked now I just wanked over it)
Don’t you just love it when the best comeback someone has is to pretend to be you abusing yourself.
Get a grip fuck nuts.
This argument is pretty much getting out of hand. We are arguing over the level of graphics each system has! Seriously who gives a shit! Even if there is a difference you are going to have to make side by side comparisons just to see them! If the PS3 has all this extra graphics enhancing technology I have yet to see it. I have experienced Resistance, I have experienced Motorstorm. Sure the graphics looked great, but no greater than a handful of 360 titles. Not to mention the gameplay doesn’t make up for it. I started playing resistance thinking it was going to be the next big shooter only to be let down. I had a few hours of fun (Online and Off) and left feeling like I had a shallow experience. No rumble, the graphics seemed a little washed out, and there was no story to it. Same thing with Motorstorm. Incredible graphics, shallow experience.
The 360 falls victim too. 479 dollars for an Elite with HDMI???? Big whoop!! You would have to be using a 60 inch screen to even tell a noticeable difference between the standard HD cables and HDMI. For me and plenty of other gamers that don’t always have the luxury of these huge 60 inch TVs, graphics are most definitely not the most important argument. The argument comes down to the games, which, sadly, the PS3 is failing in. Until the Rolls Royce PS3 gives me more to offer than Gran Turismo5, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy (maybe some Killzone2 also,) I’ll be stickin’ with my daily driver 360 that has a plethora of fantastic titles already in the lineup, and coming up.
I bought an xbox360 about 1 year ago,its a grate console and i have had loads of fun playing it, it has loads of games to choose from and i also have the wireless racing wheel which i used for about 3 days and has been just gathering dust ever since then. All in all am really glad i bought my xbox360 UNTIL about 3 months ago it started flashing 1 red light on the ring of lights and it has not worked since.
I really wanted to ps3 to be better than the xbox360 so i could sell my 360 and then get a ps3 and start the “I GOT A NEW CONSOLE” experience all over again for myself, i played motorstorm at a demo stand in my local shopping mall and i was impressed (a little bit), but because of all the jagged lines in the game it made me start to wonder if the ps3 is really more powerfull than the 360, sony really needs some AA (anti alising) in there games to make the jagged lines go away. I love both xbox360 and i WANT to love ps3 also.
I spoke to a guy at the store i bought my xbox360 at and he told me he will exchange my xbox360 and give me a brand new xbox360, but the i got thinking…….
what if i just get a cash refund and add a little money and go get a ps3?
but i honestly dont know what console is better, cause all i want is to get the best experience from all the games coming out like GTA IV , so i obviously want the console thats the most powerfull but its absolutly impossible to decide.
Well if you want the best experience for GTA IV then it’s the box with their exclusive content.
If you want the best live experience currently, then its the box. (bearing in mind you would have to not be tight enough to spare £40 a year.
If you want the widest selection of games to play currently, its the box.
If you want to put your money into the overpriced console, lagging behind in consumer base, which any business savvy developer will look at when deciding their platform of choice for a game (except some of the Japs but even they are coming round now), that has already put all it’s stock in Blu-Ray coming out tops in a format war which is still undecided, great at folding proteins and has a glorified chatroom on its way then you buy a PS3.
Thats my two bobs worth anyway.
Thanks for the reply The_Glovner, 2 days ago i decided what i was going to do,i decide to get a ps3 cause i just felt that it would be more fun.
So i went to the store and the guy exchange my xbox360 for a ps3.I had to add 270 euro but i didnt really mind.
I got a deal for 1 extra controler and 1 free game, i decided on Ninja Gaiden.
Well to sum it all up for u guys so i can tell yall if im happy with my decission,the answer is APSOLUTLY YES YES im sssoooo happy and over the moon about my new ps3,its absolutly unbelievably good,i completly LOVE IT .
The graphics are way better than xbox360,and there are 100 times more things going on on the screen at any single moment.
Before i went home with my new ps3 once i bought it,i got Motor Storm and Resistance FoM.
So now i have 3 game to play with.
MotorStorm is the best GAME i have ever played,its absolutly amazing.I played it for 8 or 9 hours strait today and now im in bed now typing this on my laptop and all i want to do is get to sleep fast so i can get up and play it again tomorrow ;)
I also love how im now a able to relax on my couch while surfing the internet and youtube on my 42inch HD plasma TV.
Im NOT a fan boy cause i also really enjoyed my xbox360 and i think the xbox360 is a really awsome console.
I know that the ps3 has very few games for it at the moment but im cool about it cause eventually the ps3 will have lots of good games to choose from.
So if ur an xbox360 owner,then dont worryc cause the xbox360 is a really awsome console, but in my opinion the ps3 is better on many different levels.
Thanks for reading and sry for such a long post ;)
fuck all of u xbox n ps3
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