GTA IV looking better on PS3 than Xbox 360?

The latest issue of PSM Uk summed up a nice list of 50 reasons why you need GTA IV. The list basically consists of gameplay arguments, but when they reach the 43rd argument, they’re saying that the Playstation 3 version of the game will be much better than the Xbox 360 equivalent.

Since this is coming from a dedicated Playstation magazine the statements should be taken with a large grain of salt. We also have no idea where they’ve got their information from since there are only a few people on this planet that have had the pleasure of looking at/playing this game.

The PS3 hard drive and CPU should deliver a smoother GTA IV than on Xbox 360, not least because of texture streaming. Less loading, more detail and vibrant colour palette should make PS3 GTA IV stand head and shoulders above the Xbox 360 version. But what about the Xbox 360’s exclusive episodic content? Well, chances are, the PS3 will have similar downloads at some point in the future. If not, we should have PSP connectivity and multiplayer to look forward too. In your face, Microsoft!

There’s also an interesting quote about the downloadable content which is the Xbox 360’s strong suit, but not if it’s coming to the Playstation store as well after a while. Should the information above turn out to be true, it could be a major blow to the Xbox 360 selling streak.

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289 comments on 'GTA IV looking better on PS3 than Xbox 360?'

Comment by Andrew on 2007-05-07 21:46:30

two words. Sony Fanboys

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:06:43

shut up andrew. Rockstar have even come out saying that it is hard to develop on the 360 due to the lack of HDD on the core unit because of catching or some other random thing.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-02 11:10:57

Caching maybe?

Comment by Blacks on 2008-04-29 09:05:45

im pretty sure thats not true, it is a well know fact that it is lot easier to create game for the 360 rather that he ps3 due to the workings of the system Architecture. the 360 power pc cpu is basically a custom version of a pc’s. and is designed for geeral perpose much like the comp ur on at the mo, the ps3 cells working are different designed more for digital entertainment rather then programing of video games, hence the BR Drive HD features and i must admit better media function that the 360 which MS have know on lockdown. fags,

Comment by NERD2121 on 2007-07-19 20:44:38

Will the 360 and the ps3 both offer online and if they do wich one will be better??????

Comment by James on 2008-03-19 08:26:01

Geez Xbox fanboys PS3 fanboys, Give it a rest. I enjoy both systems. I’ve noticed the graphics for call of duty are equally beautiful. The only thing that makes the PS3 better hardware wise is the cell technology which will probably never be used. Yes the PS3 has better hardware and has all the standard formats for the gamer who enjoys the total entertainment experience. But graphics on games for now look identical through my eyes. I have neither but I will soon have both. But if you know technology you would know that the Xbox 360 is an obsolete piece of hardware compared to that of the PS3. Love em both, But that’s just the way it is.

Comment by Tbang on 2008-05-19 15:05:58

I have both 360 and ps3 and I like them both. Honestly before I have 360 I was a playstation fan and hated xbox, but now I have 360 also and I love it. I have madden 08 for 360 and for ps3 and I must admitt that the 360 version is better. The only thing I hate about 360 is the online just because the fact that you have to pay for it and ps3 you can just play online for free. Also on ps3 I can play blueray movies on 1080p and 360 I cant. I didnt have hdmi plug on my 360 which kinda of piss me off so my 360 run on 1080i and my ps3 run on 1080p, I didnt notice the difference though so I didnt really care I guess. Anyway for you fanboys out there just shut the fuck up I have BOTH SYSTEM and I like them all,so if you DONT even have BOTH SYSTEM QUIT comparing them because you fags probably just heard it from other people not actually see it for yourself. Both system have their pros and cons and both of them have their advantages and disadvantages other wise they both good system. I just bought both of them because I CAN, so fanboys SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Comment by lcj on 2008-04-28 04:24:05

Ok, I am in no way, shape, or form a specialist in any catergory pertaining to all the intricate details that go into developing a game. Also, I own both consoles and am constantly torn when there is a multi-platform game. BUT, It is my undertsanding that in order to achieve true high definition, the hardware has ot be capable of decoding the information. Hence the reason for BD and HD players. Now, how is that the 360 can produce a game at 1080p, when its just a basic DVD player? I’m just asking, not being sarcastic.

As for the multi-platform games…I usually buy them for the 360, as most of my friends own one. The only game I have for both consoles is COD4. I must say that the graphics are slightly better on the PS3, especially the online play.

I truly believe that it comes down to a matter of preference, and what most of the people that you know own. Thats the only thing that ever sways me torwards the 360. That and the fact that the ps3’s user interface for online really sucks.

Comment by Acromyth on 2007-05-07 21:51:18

Well, idk, since Rockstar themeselves are still definitely in Sony’s corner, I wouldn’t be suprised…

still getting the 360 version though

Comment by inty2525 on 2007-05-07 22:16:29

r u serious? what kind of journalism is that… freakin crap! give us something solid or otherwise shut yer trap tools!

Comment by So Right on 2007-05-07 22:42:02

Did they mention the great use of rumble-feedback? Thought not

Comment by Faraz on 2008-04-04 09:25:33

I e-mailed Rockstar to ask about rumble feedback on the Dualshock 3 Contoller and they said that It will!

Comment by Pete on 2007-05-07 22:46:12

They’re just building themselves up for a fall, killzone trailer anyone?

Comment by Scorn on 2007-07-16 05:48:23

Why yes killzone trailer please

Hmmm i smell humble pie

Comment by joey on 2007-05-07 22:55:38

sure GTA IV will lmao (fanboys)
GPU Transistor Count
PS3 - RSX transistor count: 300.2 million transistors
Xbox 360 - Xenos transistor count: 337 million (232 million parent die+105 million EDRAM daughter die)

GPU clock
Xbox 360 - Xenos clocked at 500 Mhz
PS3 - RSX clocked at 500 MHz

GPU video memory
Xbox 360 - Xenos: 512 MB of 700 Mhz GDDR3 VRAM on a 128-bit bus
Xbox 360 - Xenos: 10 MB daughter Embedded DRAM as framebuffer (32GB/s bus, multiplied by 8 thanks to multisampling unpacking for an effective bandwidth of 256 MB/s, the internal eDRAM bandwidth)
PS3 - RSX: 256 MB GDDR3 VRAM clocked at 650 Mhz on a 128-bit bus
PS3 - RSX: 256 MB of Rambus XDR DRAM via Cell (with latency penalty)

Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.1 Billion Vertices/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 0.825 Billion Vertices/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Texels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 11.0 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.4 Billion Texels/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 3.3 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 17.6 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 26.4 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 22.0 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - additional 20.0 GB/sec when reading from XDR memory (with latency penalty)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:10:34

do you even know what these statistics mean. most of them dont even matter and are practically the same thing. and there is also a lot of performance catogories left out from theses statistics. put the rest up if you want this to be fair.

Comment by Lone goat on 2008-01-16 16:21:41

… no thats alot of the main test i’d run

Comment by Truth on 2008-04-14 03:22:12

LOL you dumb ass… The 360 doesnt have ddr3 or memory ram, the ps3 does and you know why, because the ps3 came out a year after. And the cell processor of the ps3 is much more powerfull then what the 360 on is… Where the fuck did you get your shitty statistics aass hole !

Comment by Blacks on 2008-04-29 08:55:10

yes the xbox 360 does have main memory ram hich is 256mb which im certain of the reason why the consoles memrory is recorded as 512mb is bcoz its sharedeith the GPU memory which is also 256, both are unified hence the 512 statements. the ps3 has also got a better GPU card in terms of clcok speed at 550mege-hertz 360 at 500. but this its the full story its in how the cpu handle transcoding of data in different way. seriously thought come on at the mo the 360 has better graphics compared to the ps3 no doubt about that but imcertain in the future it will be the opposite.

Comment by Chris on 2008-04-27 20:08:14

well you know, when we are playing the game side by side on an xbox and a ps3 you can just show me where any of this differences will even play a slight degree of difference, i really dont care if I can see niko’s nose in his shadow a little better on the ps3, I really really dont, an if you do, your so wrapped up in this stupid number crunch shit that your treating your ps3 like its your girlfriend, fucking faggots

Comment by david on 2008-05-02 14:20:38

just shut up i bet you dont even know what they mean . probaly since you had the 360 first you think it’s better, ps3 is god GOD

Comment by dbarrade on 2007-05-07 23:13:04

I guess everything should be fine then as we are only asking for 1920 x 1080p x 60 fps = 124416000 pixels per second.

I’d also like to see some nice physics and lots of cars / pedestrians and other stuff moving around, how does the PS3 compare to the 360 for stuff like that?

Comment by Saurian on 2008-01-24 12:05:58

Judging by how PS3 and 360 hanbdle other games, there will be a lot of slowdown in single player on PS3

Comment by Saurian on 2008-04-29 10:24:34

Not True, most of the slowdown was caused by the slow transfer speed of data from the BluRay drive. To get over this, you have to install the game to the Hard Drive. Yes, it restricts you as to the number of games you can actually ‘pick up and play’ ( for the 40gb version, you can have around 7 or 8) but for PS3 owners, its the best compromise.

Comment by PS3 on 2007-05-08 00:43:19


Argument over, PS3 wins.

Comment by Saurian on 2008-04-29 10:28:05

If Cell is so powerful, why can 360 play games straight from the disc while PS3 increasingly has to install to the Hard Drive to match the quality.

Comment by lambCHOPd on 2008-10-11 23:57:14

It doesn’t. The installation to hard drive is a FEATURE. I don’t know why people keep referring to it as a bad thing. Look at how much faster Oblivion loads on ps3. I do think, though, that it should be optional. Some people prefer to have the extra space on the HD and have longer load times. In my opinion, whats wrong with buying an extra 320gb HDD or something? If you buy a 360 you have to purchase extras too (wifi, battery packs etc).

Comment by zarbor on 2007-05-08 01:15:57

There is nothing I love more than seeing dopey fanboys and their magazines make retarded comments about things they are pulling from their butts.

If some of you morons had half a brain and some common sense you would realize how stupid you sound. Lets see, the XBOX1 was more powerful than the PS2 yet all the GTA games were practically identical. Hmmm. I wonder why? Oh, did we fail to realize that all the pictures on this new GTA is from the 360 version? I guess since Oblivion used the “Cell” it turned out sooooooooo much better than the 360 version.

Here’s a clue. It doesn’t benefit developers to make one version of the same game better than the other if they are going to be released around the same time on seperate consoles. Let that rattle the two beans shaking in that empty mallet. Oh, if you haven’t realized that most multiplatform games are done on one console and ported to the other. Hence why the previous GTAs did not look significantly different from PS2 to XBOX.

Expect the 360 to be the leading platform since it has the bigger install base in the US and for it to be ported to the PS3 with minimal enhancement.

Argument over, everyone wins!

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:11:16


Comment by matt on 2008-01-15 19:20:10

Wtf, you can’t port an xbox game to ps3! You have to write it from the ground up! xbox fanboy! lol

Comment by Lone goat on 2008-01-16 16:23:23

oh ya u forgot about the dang cells.. b/c there sooooo much better.

Comment by webringer on 2008-04-04 13:20:16

Sorry…but you’re wrong most games that will go across multiple system are written with a lot of generic C++ libraries the only thing that is written from the ground up are the render engines for each system since each system comes with a different Development Kit.

Comment by zarbor on 2007-05-08 01:31:20

Forgot link:

Rockstar Table Tennis? Was that on PS3?
Development of three years? When did the PS3 launch? Hmmmmmmmmm.

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:12:30

what are you even trying yo say??

Comment by Recoil on 2007-05-08 05:27:59

So this is what makes a game valuable these days? How complex and lifelike the graphics are? What happened to the days when a game’s worth was measured by how fun it is, not how close to reality it is?

Comment by Jayx on 2007-05-08 06:09:25

Splinter Cell Double Agent anyone?… Last I checked (and I did) it looked far better on xbox 360, despite being released about 6 months after the 360 and PC versions. Doesn’t matter how powerful the PS3 is, developers are not going to spend all that extra time on the “difficult-to-code-for” PS3 to make a game look only slightly better than another version because it is not worth their while. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter how pretty a game looks if it doesn’t play well. Hopefully as well as making a pretty game, Rockstar are also working on rectifying GTA’s abominable controls and repetitive gameplay.

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:08:39

GTAs one of the best franchises ever u fool. san andreas was the best game ever

Comment by John on 2007-05-08 07:00:31

U xbox3shitty bois crack me up. CELL BABY!! Beat’s all hands down. OF COURSE it’s gonna be better on the PS3, it’s a better machine. U shitbox fools need to use common sense, dont be jealous cuz it’s gonna be better on the PS3, just buy a PS3 and u can have the same experience as us. And I don’t know why eveyone keeps talking about episodic content for the shitbox! Rockstar AND Sony have both already announced that PS3 will get it too. Sony don’t need to have some faggot with a fake tatoo to tell us that. What a fucking joke the xbox3shitty is!!!

Comment by luv my 360 on 2007-05-11 06:06:26

ill buy one when a crackhead sells me one for 20 bucks!

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:12:06

it seams to me that you the crackhead

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-02-11 20:09:07

THATS how i got my ipod touch

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:20:01

i agree but your slightly misinformed. its true the cell destroys the 360’s processor but the 360’s graphics card is very slightly better. graphis will be about the same on both consoles but the ps3 has the potential to make richer environments and advanced physics.

Comment by zampano on 2007-07-12 05:56:52

English, m*therf*cker! Do you speak it?

Comment by Saurian on 2007-07-16 10:21:12

Rockstar have actually announced that it will NEVER be out on PS3 actually. So if you are content with half the game, keep your PS3 , if you want the total experience, you need a 360.

Comment by Scott Bowen on 2008-03-04 19:09:46

No they said it will come out later as Microsoft paid them to have “dibs” just like all the other timed exlusives. It will come to Ps3 maybe a little different and later.

Comment by andeify on 2008-04-20 05:24:54

As for episodic content, ive read from one site that it will and another that it wont be released for the PS3. Who knows! Ill wait and see…

I bought a PS3 for Gran Turismo and Metal Gear Solid/Online, I cant wait for GTA IV!!! Im not buying a 360 because:

***you have to pay to go online (in the UK, dont know if its free in the US or not).

***you cant play Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Metal Gear Online.

***it doesnt output 1080p.

***ive never liked Halo so i wont miss that.

***360 is only cheaper if it doesnt have a HDMI out

***and its made by microsoft!

Comment by andeify on 2008-04-20 05:29:41


^^ they are my views anyway.

as for all the spec crap “ooh 360 has 6 billion vertices a second, ooh the ps3 has a Cell cpu” - who cares as long as your happy with what youve got!

Comment by hoie ehi on 2008-04-26 06:27:08

360 does have 1080p…unless it’s lying to me. i got hdmi out on normal premiuim purchase.
im gettin a ps3 end of 2008 so i can buy the new 120 gig model, and by them HOME will be out and all the great games, and anyway its going to be ps3’s year next year.

Comment by Chris on 2008-04-27 20:16:26

please dont be a fool, I play on 1080i all damn day through my HMDI port so please, know your shit before you spray it.

Comment by neil on 2008-04-28 21:38:28

if your waiting for the 120gig, don’t. get ps3 now and just up grade. i have a ps3 but it has a 250 gig hdd in it

Comment by Saurian on 2008-04-29 10:34:15

The episdic content ( the 2 episodes ) that Microsoft paid for ARE EXCLUSIVE TO 360 and owned by Microsoft.They have bought the exclusive rights to them They will never be released on PS3. This is FACT.
There may be other, smaller downloads released, but these are owned by Rockstar and will be out on PS3 and 360.
So, if the game is so good, you will have to get a 360 to enjoy the total package, or have a PS3 and settle for half the experience.

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwashed on 2008-04-30 00:48:42

Actually, NO. It’s not fact at all. It’s extremely likely that Rockstar planned to create downloadable content for both systems before Moneysoft forked out the 50mil , and so made a few extra bucks for stuff they were planning to make anyway. And stop claiming that you know “2 episodes” are being made. No one knows what is being made yet. Yes 360 will get exclusive stuff, but whats to say PS3 won’t get their own exclusive content? The PS3 can handle it, the hard drives can handle it, and Rockstar gets to make more money.

And what’s this crap about “half the experience”? Hey, it’s not us PS3 owners who are missing out on half of the view distance in GTA IV. Take a proper look at the “facts” next time before you post.

Comment by Lotus 111s on 2007-05-08 08:00:52

When i posted this news i knew it would bring out the fanboys from both sides.

At the end of the day i think both games will look pretty much identical, but if it loads faster on the PS3 then thats the version i will get, if the Xbox360 version is in anyway superior but with slower loading times then that will be the version i get. It’s great having a choice :)

Comment by bobbybilly on 2007-05-08 08:03:32

sounds like these ps3 fanboys are scared of the 360.
dont you just love it when all they can come up with to bash the 360 is by saying CELL.
you guys are a joke, get a life

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:14:21

your saying get a life but your the one who is on this site posting comments just like the rest of us. also last time i checked this was playstatic, bo back to xboxatic

Comment by joe on 2007-06-18 17:15:54

i have a ps3 but i addmitt its not what i thouhgt it was going to be only because there are no good games out, they ve got the same graphics i dotn know why everyone says that the xbox 360 has better graphics theyve got teh same graphics card. so waht if xbox 360 have gamer points it looks sad when people have like 80,000 becasue it just means u dont have a life xbox 360 is a hazard that will cause fat people and so what if u have gears of war it aint that good. the one thing that pissed me off with sony when they cancelled saints row coming out i was looking forward to it and they say there bringing saints row 2 out in 2008 on it whats the point thats ages away. to conclude the consoles are both teh same except for microsoft dotn have idiots and cancel the best games.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-03 10:39:29

What is sad is the quality of your post.

Fair enough make a spelling mistake here and there, people type fast and may not have a spellcheck on their browser. But that is no excuse for the shocking quality of you sentence structure. A lot of it doesn’t even make gramatical sense.

And you can’t really hold microsoft responsible for global obesity. That is down to the eating and excerise habits of the indivdual, if 360 is responsible so is PS3. Only one that can’t be given any responsibilty is the Wii, as at least that promotes some degree of exercise.

Comment by Faraz on 2008-04-04 09:35:50

your the m*th*r f*c*ing shitbox fan boy

get a life!!!

Comment by bobbybilly on 2007-05-08 08:08:57

exactly its better to stay nuetral, i dont have a ps3 myself and probably never will have one, but at the end of the day every game that has had multiplatform releases look identical on both machines so pointless bashing is a waste of time, just makes people look like tools.

Comment by andeify on 2008-04-20 05:31:47

get them both then and review which one is better once and for all!!!

Comment by Chris on 2008-04-27 20:21:41

well, seeing how it only loads once everytime you play it, thats a pretty stupid bias, and two the xbox version comes with an OPTIONAL install so it will load even faster, just like yours is going to have to install on your massive hardrive for 2 hours that never gets used cause you dont have things like Xbox live marketplace, with so mich fucking conetent its ridicilous, and really 14 gigs is all thats needed, really i promise you, …120 wtf are you going to do with 120 gigs

Comment by tronyca on 2008-04-30 20:04:55

u dont have to buy a 120 gig ps3 u could just put a laptop hdd in there; that would allow u to not just get a laptop hdd cheaper but bigger than 120.x360 u have to buy there hdd which is just gay

Comment by PS3_Wizard on 2007-05-08 11:11:12

And to that guy Joey…How is it that almost all of your specs shows the 360 beating the PS3 When almost everyone is saying that the PS3 is a little bit more powerful than the 360?

And the specs are just about even in both machines, with 1 beating the other in different areas and vice versa. I’d like to know where u got your info from. And also…why is it that everyone keeps saying that the PS3 is gonna lose to the 360 when the graphics are basically the same. And before a 360 or PS3 fanboy gets excited, Its not too much of a good thing for them to look identical.

Because think about it…The 360 has been out for almost 2 years, so it should have the graphical edge over the ps3. But instead the launch games for the ps3 weren’t superior to the 360, but they where close on it’s ass. And now the ps3 and the 360 are almost sayimese twins when it comes to graphics.

So imagine when the ps3 gets 2 years old. I think that when that time comes ppl will stop bashing the ps3. 360 owners must have forgot that they had a year headstart to learn how to program games while the ps3 was still under development. If the ps3 is this good out of the gate(motorstorm), and it took the 360 almost a year to make GoW, then imagine the future!

I have a 360 and in my opinion the games are getting close to maxed out, with games barely exeeding each other in terms of graphics. I think Gears of Wars was the most beautiful game ever made, but since then, I haven’t seen anything come close.

Comment by Afan on 2007-05-08 13:05:45

DVD: 8.5 gigs of data.

Blu-Ray: 50 gigs of data.

Even if the game’s only 14 gigs like Resistance, sacrifices will have to be made to force the game onto the smaller DVD disc for the 360. There will be details on the PS3 version that there is simply no room for on the Xbox.

This is how it’s going to be from here on out. The DVD drive is the 360’s ball and chain and it’s going to hold it back and drag it down.

Comment by Aert on 2007-05-08 14:23:31

Ever heard of Texture synthesis? No? Google it and come back.

Comment by Afan on 2007-05-08 14:37:26

Actually, yes I’ve heard of it. It’s just one of many techniques programmers will need to use to force these large HD games onto DVDs. They better hop to it too. How many more 6-level games like Gears of War do you think 360 players will put up with before demanding more for their money?

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-08 15:32:36

Well you may have heard of it, but clearly don’t understand it then though do you?

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:22:42

well it seams he does. when you make something smaller, it becomes comprimised. and resistance WILL NOT run on the 360 with the same specs due to the advanced AI using the cell and the 40P online. proven by insomniac. and they wouldnt lie just to better the ps3 coz ppl would find them out.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-23 11:03:36

I may be wrong but are we not discussing a completely different thing here.

You are talking about compressing texture files, is it not true that the 360 and PS3 do textures in a different way, namely PS3 stores everything on the disc to be applied and the 360 creates them on the fly so not requiring the same dedicated space to carry the information?

Comment by Knight on 2007-05-08 14:01:36

XBOX 360 = high-end PC = 99% power usage
PS3 = true next-gen console = 20% power usage

Right now PS3 can produce superb 1080p games, XBOX 360 can’t produce worth sh!t in 1080p.

Comment by Aert on 2007-05-08 14:24:22

Virtua Tennis works perfectly in 1080P on both consoles. Which games that are out now on the PS3 are so ’superb’?

Comment by Knight on 2007-05-08 14:29:45

Virtua Tennis runs smoother in 1080p then 360. Gran Turismo HD, Ridge Racer 7, Ninja Gaiden Sigma… all moving at a consistent 60fps. I own a 360, I played GoW and there parts where it slowed down pretty badly and this game is only at 720p which suppose is utilizing 99% of 360 power. Just can’t imagine 1080p games on the 360.

Comment by Aert on 2007-05-08 19:09:37

Oh come on, Ridge Racer 7 looks like crap, Ninja Gaiden Sigma barely looks better than the Xbox version and GT:HD only has pretty car models, the backgrounds are butt ugly.

I own a Xbox 360 as well, and Gears of War looks way better than anything on Playstation 3 right now. The only game that’s graphically decent is Motorstorm and that’s not a launch game.

Besides, how would you know how much % of the 360’s processing power is being used?

Comment by Knight on 2007-05-08 20:59:07

*LMFOA* you really have no idea what you’re talking about… reviews, critics, people, friends were all impress with these games running in 1080p. atleast these games don’t have the noticable tearing and slowdowns in GoW…

quoted in the news ‘Epic says Gears of War pushes Xbox 360 to the max’ so I should say 100% but no console can be pushed to 100% so I said 99%.

Comment by Aert on 2007-05-08 22:24:24

You should check out this list:

and this list:

Apparently those critics seem to like Xbox 360 games quite a bit.

And dude, of course Epic says that the Gears pushes the Xbox 360 to the max, it would sound silly if they said “We only used 30% of the capacity because we’re lazy and don’t know how to develop for the 360″. I remember Ubisoft saying something similar about GRAW1 over a year ago. Now there’s GRAW2 and it looks better with a steadier framerate.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-05 10:26:00

No game in the first couple of years of release of a console is going to push it to 100%.

Maybe 100% of what they are currently capable of, but I think you will be seeing a gradual improvement over time like you do with any console.

Comment by B-rad on 2007-05-08 14:06:10

these are totally sony fan boys. plus rockstar would nopt put out a crapy game both will have their advantages.

Comment by George on 2007-05-08 15:13:28

I’m afraid that those who claim that the PS3 is “more powerful” than the 360 are sadly misinformed. The 360s GPU is MUCH more sophisticated than the PS3, as the 360 uses a cut down version of the ATI R600, DX10 card which uses a unified shader architecture, the PS3s RSX is a last generation 7800, the 360 as 10mberam which gives 4xAA for free, the cell processor is “theoretically” more powerful than the 360s triple core dual threaded cpu, however, thats only if a game is very carefully and specially coded for it, which is a generation away, and will certainly not be done for games that are cross-platform. In fact, given todays programming methods, and the fact that PC cpus more closely resemble the 360 than the PS3, and the former two have a vastly larger user base than the latter, the 360 has a realistically more powerful cpu than the PS3, as its easier to programme for, and has 3 general purpose CPUs compared to the PS3s one. AND even if the cell was programmed to its maximum potential, that is more than made up for by the 360s vastly superior architecture GPU.
In short, both are powerful, the 360 slightly more so, but both are more than enough to show off any current or near-future game, and the versions will be idential for GTA IV.
Sony fanboys, im sorry to break it to you.
You lose.
Anyone who thinks im wrong feel free to do some research and post something true. Until then, STFU.

Comment by Charles on 2007-05-08 18:05:18

To George:

You are forgetting several things, it’s not all about the GPU. The Cell has already proven see above link just what it can do with actual data modeling, the cell is a true super computer processor. Think physics. My major beef with the 360 when it came out was that it didn’t support HDMI. Now there are people that will say that component is just as good as the digital signal coming out of HDMI, they would be wrong this coming from someone that is a major videophile, has a background in broadcast TV, and have seen analog component interference. Yes folks it doesn’t matter how fancy of a monster cable you buy, the components inside are still going to be the cheapest they can put in them. Now it’s great that they came out with a new model with HDMI, however they didn’t really upgrade anything else about the box, I’m sorry but you maybe alright with a loud fan in your living room but when I’m watching a movie or playing a game, I want drop dead silence not a noisy fan.

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:17:28

your just a fool. everyone knows that the cell broadband engine is more powerful than the 360’s processor. folding@home has proved this.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-23 11:05:08

So it folds proteins better than the 360, that is clearly worth the £425.

Comment by George on 2007-05-08 15:36:20

p.s. Knight, you’re something of a genius aren’t you :)

Comment by Bob on 2007-05-08 18:03:20

360 is a graphics powerhouse that seams to beat out the ps3 in every graphics heavy game (check out splinter cell double agent or FEAR to name a couple of new releases, download the video comparison on IGN) But that being said the choice not to include an HD does make them worse for larger environment games (oblivion on the ps3 and had better draw distances and looked better in the open world shots)

both Consoles have their draw backs, but I doubt you will see a major difference on either platform, if you read through the video release notes for the in game trailer it says those were running on 360 dev kits, so if your happy with those graphics they will look at least that good on the 360.

Comment by Looney on 2007-05-09 08:47:41

Sony fanboys you say? What is the title of the Magazine? The last time I checked it was a PlayStation Magazine. 360 is crap compared to the massive (figuratively speaking) powerhouse (again) that will do miles over the 360 in graphics. 360 fannys like to talk smack.

Just you wait ’till most of the anticipated games come out. MGS 4, Lair, Final Fantasy 13, Killzone II and etc all going to be hits on the PS3 as well as GTA IV and might I add God of War 3 next year. Hey 360 owners, just look out for the “Red Ring of Death” if you haven’t got it atleast once.

Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion’s graphics are how do I put this a litle better on the PS3. The water looks more crisp but of course, water and the sky are the foremost easiest to render. The visuals for the faces are a tad bit more realistic. Just give’em time, the Shivering Isles expansion pack will eventually become availiable on the PS3.

I am very immpressed with MotoStorm running at full 1080p but hey even when it’s not, it looks great still. Resistance: FOM is just incredible and their working on Resistance: Rise of Man.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-09 10:47:59

Aye well your name rings true.

Comment by Chinnie Reckon on 2007-06-05 15:48:55


Are you sure about MotorStorm in 1080p? - my PAL region copy outputs @ 720p (as stated on the back of the box) - so I’d be quite suprised if your did output @ 1080p

Comment by StrayBezza on 2007-05-09 10:44:23

Everyone chill the fuck out. It will look the same on both systems…..

Comment by jeremy on 2007-05-09 16:13:22

Its funny how people say its going to be better on the ps3 when the damn game is not even out yet . If you look at sonys track record it has not been good. games like madden, tony hawk, call of duty,splinter cell,just to name a few have been far better on the 360. I wish I never bought a ps3 in the first place. Its a very large and expensive paper weight . I have 10 ps3s in my store for a month and have not sold 1 .even customers have come in wishing they never bought one.

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:04:42

your saying, ‘look, the 360 graphics are better than the ps3′ but you dont understand that it is because it is being ported after being developed on yhe 360. now because EA games will start using the ps3 for initial development, when they are ported to the 360, the ps3’s graphics will be better.

Comment by StrayBezza on 2007-05-10 10:53:44

Bullshit. Splinter Cell, THP8 and COD3 are near identical to the 360 versions. Only lazy porting and bullshit reviews separate them. What about the fucking dross on 360 at Launch?? Even stooping to xbox ports - Gun, TH Wasteland etc etc. If you are using your PS3 as a ‘paperweight’ fucking sell it….or, play Resistance online, Motorstorm, Oblivion, etc. Also what store do you run? My local games (independent) sells out whenever they are in stock.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-10 11:18:39

Think you need to take a look at your own comment two up.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-10 11:20:21

I also need to back the boy up on sales, because anyone I have asked in any branch of any gamestore (gamestation, game and a couple of idependents) have all said after week 2 sales have fell through the floor and they are selling hardly any, even the guys in the shops aren’t bothered about getting one and they get discount.

Comment by ME on 2007-05-10 13:48:32


Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-11 11:17:52

Rules what exactly? King of overpriced paperwieghts?

Comment by bill on 2007-05-22 15:27:04

360= £279
WiFi adaptor= £70
HD DVD drive=£199
is the ps3 still overpriced to you?

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-05-23 11:07:47

Yup because I don’t buy a console for HD movies, I don’t use Wifi on my console as it stays in the one spot and all the games are more expensive even the ones that were out on the 360 a year ago are more expensive than they were on the 360 at full price.

So yes it is. Don’t even try and defend the price.

Comment by Kratos on 2007-05-23 11:55:04

With the PS3, you get what you pay for out of the box, being next gen technology like the CELL, blu-ray drive, bluetooth wireless controllers, SATA hard drive, Wi-Fi built in and a better looking system. With the 360, you also get what you pay for, being “The Red Rings of Death”, overheating issues, a noisy system, a brick power supply, and add-on options that cost more than they are worth. I don’t know about you, but buying a game console is similar to buying a car. Do you want a quality product or a piece of shit? Do you want something that will last or something that will breakdown? The 360 is plagued with too many system issues that exemplifies how inferior it is to the PS3. I was once a 360 owner, but due to the problems I experienced…I traded it in for a PS3 and I must say it was the best deal I ever made. Kinda like trading in a Yugo for a Mercedes.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-06-05 14:42:17

Did you read the above post? Did you actually take in the points I made?

Did you notice after making the points?I also said don’t even try and defend the price to me because it is not worth the money.

And to reply to the points you make on the 360, never had one problem with mine, bought on release day in europe. The Power Brick doesn’t bother me as it ain’t even visable, I have no problems with overheating as I don’t keep my 360 wrapped in a towel in an oven like so many others seem to.

And to take your analogy (which is shit really), if consoles are like cars I would rather own the one that is more fun to drive, I wouldn’t go out and spend more money on the one with the fancy gadgets if they didn’t help me enjoy the ride in anyway.

So the point you make is basically the PS3 is an overpriced showpiece and the 360 is a prctical machine that does what it should.

Comment by Ps3versionWILLtriumph on 2008-02-11 04:24:35

You’re just a last-gen noob. How can a console that uses an old format, old optical drive, old external power supplies (that are only “barely visble” behind Mt. Fucking-Everest, old controllers (exactly the same as XBOX, just LESS buttons, and old network technology, be called next gen?

Face it, a complete 360 costs more than a complete ps3, and even then its nothing compared to it. Go ahead, call me a “sony fanboy”. But I own both consoles, and ps3 is much much better.

Comment by Bill on 2008-05-08 22:48:42

Not only the add-ons but having to f*cking pay to play online. Sorry, if I wanted to pay to play online I would start up WoW.

Comment by Sage on 2007-05-11 12:32:24

Not a very intelligent comment is it ME? this game will probably look very similar on both consoles with each console having its pros and cons. jeez guys what ever happen to just enjoying games(all technical advantages on whatever console wont matter if the game isnt fun)?

Comment by PS3_Wizard on 2007-05-16 13:09:07

Lets face it, guys. It is the games, and the developers of those games that is going to make a difference.
Sony is in a precarious position because they basically declared that they were going to compete directly with Microsoft as the biggest thing.
Only problem is that Wii totally and completely stole the hype of the PS3.
With Wii stealing the PS3’s thunder, all you have left are the negative aspects about it. Xbox has managed to establish a huge install base that developers want to take advantage of, so as a result, you aren’t seeing many PS3 exclusives that really look good. This is going to keep the sales down, which is going to continue giving Xbox the advantage.
PS3 lacks the install base compared to the other two consoles, which doesn’t attract the developers. In turn, the lack of developers doesn’t attract new consumers to buy the console to increase the install base. Vicious cycle. Sony needs to do something major to SHOW consumers and developers alike that it really IS better than Xbox 360 or IT. WILL. FAIL.
You can say all you want about which is technically superior. I won’t argue that. PS3 has disc capacity, and HDMI and all that crap, Xbox is easier to develop for, has more games, better online service, yadda yadda. But the consumers and developers are what makes or breaks the deal. My prediction is that Sony’s success will depend almost entirely on the success of LittleBigPlanet.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-06-05 14:44:00

Not great having to base a consoles success on that of a glorified chat room though.

Comment by Peacemaker on 2007-05-16 19:51:50

Wow, just reading all the comments is entertaining. Everyone is slinging all kinds of crap at each other. Look, the bottom line is that we are all gamers. It should be a win-win situation when everyone gets to enjoy a good game. The only drawback is paying the next gen price for it. Rather than be enemies in a war, we should work to be allies. Imagine cross-platform online gaming among all consoles. As long as everyone wins, then we should all be happen. Now let’s learn to get along little children! Peace Out!

Comment by ian on 2007-05-17 10:21:49

i know, the lot of you needs to get a grip and get out more

Comment by HUgH on 2007-06-05 11:53:48

I own a ps3 myself, and I think its great, even though I have to admit there arent alot of good games for it yet. A friend of mine owns a 360, and I saw it and it was cool too. Now, the only reason why people are ranting at each other about power etc, is because they dont want to lose. People look up sites at google, by typing “xbox better than ps3″ or vice versa (this is exactly what I did, but..whats the fucking poinT?). This is SOLELY because nobody wants to be the loser that just threw away alot of bucks. The only way for the next gen gamer to feel safe and happy, is to know they bought the right thing…the only way to get this safe feeling, is to make sure the other options SUCK (thats why most ps3 or xbox360 will never admit faults of their system) . Once you buy a console, you pick a side, and you fight and endless war over which console is best. If you lose the war, you are a loser because you spent money on the wrong thing, thats the whole IDEA
in a nutshell; leave it. Dont worry. Ofcourse there will always be losers who make up facts in their advantage, fuck them. LEAVE IT

Comment by kurt on 2007-06-25 20:48:27

The consensous amongst 3rd party devs is that the ps3 is the more powerful unit but its more difficult to code. Which is understandable when you realise that the Cell processer is still very new and that the PS3 is using a more advanced type RAM - XDR. Its going to take while before they ‘max out’ the ps3. The 360 on the otherhand is easy to code for because it uses older/extablished hardware and software (DirectX) which is familiar ground for them. A good example of the 360 at its best is GoW (2nd gen game). It looks great but so does the launch title Motorstorm on the ps3. Devs working on the ps3 are all saying the have yet to get the best out of the ps3!

So argubly, GTA IV could look a lot better on the ps3 if Rockstar put in the extra effort.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-03 10:33:25

But why put in the extra effort for a smaller sales base?

Comment by Lone goat on 2008-01-16 16:33:45

damn i love u Glovner

Comment by sc00tt on 2008-03-14 08:17:14

are you queer?
my xbox broke same as my old xbox and all my friends who owned one. It was to noisy, you could hear it through the floor. Some pretty/colourfull games but they never kept me entertained. And i for one am using a educated guess that ps3 will have games with 100% more beautiful graphics and gameplay in its second year. yes its second year. xbox 360 is notnext gen it isa glorified first gen xbox in its 3rd year with only like what a 16% better graphics…..duh i use to lovexbox but not i play online for FREE and dont even here it running.

Comment by sc00tt on 2008-03-14 08:20:55

fuck my keyboard is broken sorry about the bad grammer.
i still like xbox btw but it was so damn noisy and i hated paying for online, i don’t give a shit about using its friend network to talk to virgins either.

Comment by GameLordx on 2007-06-29 17:25:39

The Cell Processor is essentially as powerful as 3 Xbox 360 CPU’s or 35 PlayStation® 2 CPU’s.

The Xbox 360 GPU, manufactured by ATI, is the least PC-like of the two GPUs for a number of reasons, the most obvious being its 10MB of embedded DRAM. Microsoft announced that the 10MB of embedded DRAM has 256GB/s of bandwidth availble to it; keep this figure in mind, as its meaning isn’t as clear cut as it may sound.
The GPU operates at 500MHz and has a 256-bit memory interface to 512MB of 700MHz GDDR3 system memory (that is also shared with the CPU).
Another very prominent feature of the GPU is that it implements ATI’s first Unified Shader Architecture, meaning that there are no longer any discrete pixel and vertex shader units, they are instead combined into a set of universal execution units that can operate on either pixel shader or vertex shader instructions. ATI is characterizing the width of the Xbox 360 GPU as being 48 shader pipelines; we should caution you that these 48 pipelines aren’t directly comparable to current 16-pipeline GPUs, but rest assured that the 360 GPU should be able to shade and texture more pixels per clock than ATI’s fastest present-day GPU.

Playstation 3:
Now let’s move on to NVIDIA’s RSX; the RSX is very similar to a PC GPU in that it features a 256-bit connection to 256MB of local GDDR3 memory (operating at 700MHz). Much like NVIDIA’s Turbo Cache products, the RSX can also render to any location in system memory, giving it access to the full 256MB of system memory on the PS3 as well.

The RSX is connected to the PlayStation 3’s Cell CPU by a 35GB/s FlexIO interface and it also supports FP32 throughout the pipeline.

The RSX will be built on a 90nm process and features over 300 million transistors running at 550MHz.

Between the two GPUs there’s barely any information contained within Microsoft’s and Sony’s press launches, so let’s see if we can fill in some blanks.

Comment by Rol on 2007-07-10 10:05:49

You can have the worlds fastest computer but with hardly enough memory to run windows you got a fuck-up. And that’s why graphics cards are more important on game consoles. How can you offset the graphics card on to the processor without adequate memory???

Comment by Séan on 2007-07-05 08:15:10

You are all a shower of fuckin wankers!! Who gives a fuck honestly which is better! I personally think it will look fantasic on the Mega Drive.

Comment by matt on 2007-07-07 06:43:38

I agree with sean you are all wankers, i own the 360 and the ps3 and all the other consols ever fuckin made because they are all superb,if you cant afford to do that tuf shit!! Get over it ha ha wankers

Comment by ag on 2007-07-10 18:24:03

PS3 = 30% failure rate

That’s all I need to know. I refuse to purchase something that has a 1/3 failure rate. In a year Sony will dominate the market simply because their machines will actually work.

Comment by Lone goat on 2008-01-16 16:35:08

smooth one asshole

Comment by ag on 2007-07-10 18:26:40

stupid form. ps3 failure rate is less than 1% while Xb360 is just over 30%. who would spend over $100 on something with a 30% failure rate?

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-11 07:31:45

Well it seems at least a good couple of million people will.

What a stupid fucking statement.

Comment by sc00tt on 2008-03-14 08:25:02

well actually i several million xbox360’s have had to have repairs.

Comment by Wtf? on 2007-07-11 13:34:54

Ok I don’t care about the little war you guys are having, but enough “Oh the PS3 will get the content later” “Its already on the disk” Wtf don’t you guys understand about the word EXCLUSIVE? Ok, continue your little war. Oh btw that article is completely one-sided

Comment by Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm on 2007-07-12 12:54:19

Same old arguments with every generation of games system ……..Vic 20 - ZX81, C-64 - ZX Spectrum, C-Amiga - Atari ST, Sega Master - NES and on and on and on……..

No one ever wins, all that happens is a “next” next gen comes out then it starts all over again.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-12 13:00:42

Ha ha ha ha ha you bunch of tossers are not going to be able to buy it anyway when you reach 18 then start this thread again pricks the lot of you (bugger mine is fucked now I just wanked over it)

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-13 07:44:00

Don’t you just love it when the best comeback someone has is to pretend to be you abusing yourself.

Get a grip fuck nuts.

Comment by CobraSting14 on 2007-07-13 00:38:32

This argument is pretty much getting out of hand. We are arguing over the level of graphics each system has! Seriously who gives a shit! Even if there is a difference you are going to have to make side by side comparisons just to see them! If the PS3 has all this extra graphics enhancing technology I have yet to see it. I have experienced Resistance, I have experienced Motorstorm. Sure the graphics looked great, but no greater than a handful of 360 titles. Not to mention the gameplay doesn’t make up for it. I started playing resistance thinking it was going to be the next big shooter only to be let down. I had a few hours of fun (Online and Off) and left feeling like I had a shallow experience. No rumble, the graphics seemed a little washed out, and there was no story to it. Same thing with Motorstorm. Incredible graphics, shallow experience.

The 360 falls victim too. 479 dollars for an Elite with HDMI???? Big whoop!! You would have to be using a 60 inch screen to even tell a noticeable difference between the standard HD cables and HDMI. For me and plenty of other gamers that don’t always have the luxury of these huge 60 inch TVs, graphics are most definitely not the most important argument. The argument comes down to the games, which, sadly, the PS3 is failing in. Until the Rolls Royce PS3 gives me more to offer than Gran Turismo5, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy (maybe some Killzone2 also,) I’ll be stickin’ with my daily driver 360 that has a plethora of fantastic titles already in the lineup, and coming up.

Comment by Kriz on 2007-07-14 23:19:19

I bought an xbox360 about 1 year ago,its a grate console and i have had loads of fun playing it, it has loads of games to choose from and i also have the wireless racing wheel which i used for about 3 days and has been just gathering dust ever since then. All in all am really glad i bought my xbox360 UNTIL about 3 months ago it started flashing 1 red light on the ring of lights and it has not worked since.
I really wanted to ps3 to be better than the xbox360 so i could sell my 360 and then get a ps3 and start the “I GOT A NEW CONSOLE” experience all over again for myself, i played motorstorm at a demo stand in my local shopping mall and i was impressed (a little bit), but because of all the jagged lines in the game it made me start to wonder if the ps3 is really more powerfull than the 360, sony really needs some AA (anti alising) in there games to make the jagged lines go away. I love both xbox360 and i WANT to love ps3 also.

I spoke to a guy at the store i bought my xbox360 at and he told me he will exchange my xbox360 and give me a brand new xbox360, but the i got thinking…….
what if i just get a cash refund and add a little money and go get a ps3?
but i honestly dont know what console is better, cause all i want is to get the best experience from all the games coming out like GTA IV , so i obviously want the console thats the most powerfull but its absolutly impossible to decide.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-07-17 10:56:04

Well if you want the best experience for GTA IV then it’s the box with their exclusive content.

If you want the best live experience currently, then its the box. (bearing in mind you would have to not be tight enough to spare £40 a year.

If you want the widest selection of games to play currently, its the box.

If you want to put your money into the overpriced console, lagging behind in consumer base, which any business savvy developer will look at when deciding their platform of choice for a game (except some of the Japs but even they are coming round now), that has already put all it’s stock in Blu-Ray coming out tops in a format war which is still undecided, great at folding proteins and has a glorified chatroom on its way then you buy a PS3.

Thats my two bobs worth anyway.

Comment by Kriz on 2007-07-17 23:40:05

Thanks for the reply The_Glovner, 2 days ago i decided what i was going to do,i decide to get a ps3 cause i just felt that it would be more fun.

So i went to the store and the guy exchange my xbox360 for a ps3.I had to add 270 euro but i didnt really mind.
I got a deal for 1 extra controler and 1 free game, i decided on Ninja Gaiden.
Well to sum it all up for u guys so i can tell yall if im happy with my decission,the answer is APSOLUTLY YES YES im sssoooo happy and over the moon about my new ps3,its absolutly unbelievably good,i completly LOVE IT .
The graphics are way better than xbox360,and there are 100 times more things going on on the screen at any single moment.
Before i went home with my new ps3 once i bought it,i got Motor Storm and Resistance FoM.
So now i have 3 game to play with.
MotorStorm is the best GAME i have ever played,its absolutly amazing.I played it for 8 or 9 hours strait today and now im in bed now typing this on my laptop and all i want to do is get to sleep fast so i can get up and play it again tomorrow ;)
I also love how im now a able to relax on my couch while surfing the internet and youtube on my 42inch HD plasma TV.
Im NOT a fan boy cause i also really enjoyed my xbox360 and i think the xbox360 is a really awsome console.
I know that the ps3 has very few games for it at the moment but im cool about it cause eventually the ps3 will have lots of good games to choose from.
So if ur an xbox360 owner,then dont worryc cause the xbox360 is a really awsome console, but in my opinion the ps3 is better on many different levels.
Thanks for reading and sry for such a long post ;)

Comment by ftuftftyf on 2007-09-07 14:50:51

fuck all of u xbox n ps3

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Comment by TYLER on 2007-12-10 20:28:53

check out the specs on the bottom ps3 rapes

it will of course be way more beatiful and vibrant o n the ps3 and all those 360 ps3 comparisons they never did it fairly they need to use hdmi for the ps3 to be fair
the 360 uses almost all of its power for current games
ps3 uses 40 -50 percent tops not includding the cell processor that uses like fucki n 30 percent tops of its power

Comment by lol on 2007-12-22 19:59:32

listen u ps3 boi’s

all versiobns of most games that are multiplatform will be the same coz they dont wont stupid ppl complaining about how crap it is on one console and how gd it is on the other.

the 360 is easier to program
and has better graphical power
now better graphical power tends to mean you might see the better graphics or smoother gameplay.

ps3 has the cell which provides twice the performance when its fully utilized but it will take a lot longer before its fully utilized
plus the memory config on ps3 is meant to be confusing.

i think a lot of you think that the cell is going to unlock somethi9ng amazing.

the 360 has a power pc based triple core at 3.2ghz if im not correct that is easily fast enough too run games with high standards for years to come most people play amazing games on pc with CPU’s that have 2 cores at 3ghz or less. in games a GPU is more important.

Face facts that the only way the cell will work is when a game is being exclusively developed for the ps3 by a big name in like a year or 2

i am a 360 owner i admit ps3 cell has twice the power
but ps3 ppl have to admit GPU on the 360 is better.
multiplatform games will be the same on every console maybe not graphically (which wouldnt be by much anyway)
but there not going to publish it with like 60 cars on screen on ps3 and 20 cars on the 360

stop crying

Comment by link on 2008-01-21 14:43:09

you, all of you xbots silence is the bringing 360 built not for preformace. but built for ruin. xbox live is incapable of real online play top out at 18 players. ps3 never need to top out resistance 2 60 players. ps3 spend nowthing to play. 360 pay and see advertisments where is all the mony going. to cover there ass for all the mony thy lost with the ring of death and the xbox family. gta 4 it not hidden in text ps3 vesion is a way better. what will xbox do when ps3 preformace it at its best that but die. wwxd

Comment by AN angry H0BO on 2008-02-12 15:11:03

wow, your broken sentences are hard to read.
ALL I got to say is how many sony games are played at MLG?

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-02-12 16:39:21

“but built for ruin. xbox live is incapable of real online play top out at 18 players”


Comment by r9 on 2008-01-23 15:52:22

u guys should seriously get a life man fightin about freakin consoles are wat better and shit like i own a 360 and im liking ps3 is a good syetem as well but i just dont ssee anygood games and and u cant say that GTAIV will look better on ps3 till they both came out and by the way sony payed R star to push it back of the problems they wher having u sony fanboys can say maybe GTA IV will look a bittt beter but i can say splinter cell 4 looks way better on 360 , rainbow six vegas , assassins creed , wwe 2008 , dirt , turok , i can name more but cbf ye and people sayin that gow using 99% power epic said they only suked outside the edge of 360’s power, did u know that capcom said we only used 60% of the 360 power for LOST PLANET ITS True and games like BF BAD COMPANY ,RESIDENT EVIL 5 are lookin great im 100% that ps3 will start using 99% power like in 2 years but people dont wana wait that long cause it will start getting kinda old ohh and who won for the best console?? XBOX 360 2WICE so comment sayin ps3 is better when it wins for the best console thank you!!

Comment by Sony kiks ass on 2008-01-23 23:49:38

Ps3 kicks ass and it rules and for any stupid microsoft fan asking what it rules it rules ur mom and xbox 360

Comment by Paul on 2008-01-25 17:22:38

The microsoft crowd had better hope gta4 is graphically similar to gta3.If not,their 360s will be doing 180s (straight back to repair shop).

Comment by chris on 2008-01-29 01:58:39

i have both.
360 wins
want proof have both email me and ill send pics

Comment by GAME TESTER on 2008-02-07 21:51:04

HI i am a game tester and have tested this game on both consols. Now, i am not allowed to say anything but i can say i will be geting this game for PS3

Comment by keemira on 2008-02-07 22:31:08

fan boy

Comment by GAME PLAYER on 2008-02-13 18:37:17

I love video games

Comment by Veritas on 2008-02-15 04:12:39

Me too. *high fives*

Comment by ps3 hater on 2008-02-18 00:31:09

Are you kidding me? Everyone who says the ps3 version will be better should just start suckin on bottles again. The statistics are there xbox360 is more powerful than the ps3. Just because the ps3 LOOKS more powerful doesnt mean it isnt. I have seen gameplay from the same game on the ps3 and xbox360 (Not gta obviously) and ps3 gets choppy alot easier than the xbox. Take the game skate for instance. On xbox it doesnt get choppy at all. Ps3 it gets choppy when more than two other people are on the screen. Also take dead rising for instance. They WERE going to make it for ps3 but the ps3 couldnt handle all the zombies on the screen at once (hundreds of zombies on the screen at once all walking differently) and the ps3 couldnt take it. R* should just go to xbox and leave ps3 behind. Alot of ps3 games have gotten canceled because the developers couldnt make them anymore, because of blue-ray and its just harder to make games for the ps3. Oh yea and one more thing your ps3 fan-noobs gta got pushed back because they were behind on the ps3 version. The ps3 couldnt handle it it would just lag up with everything that was going on at once. the 360 version could of been released already. In your face ps3 fanboys us 360 owners take a shit everyday and we pretend were shitting on your faces and your worthless ps3’s. Oh blue-ray this blue-ray that, you guys like it so much because it just sounds different and its newer. Doesnt mean its better.

Comment by 3SHITTY-RESENTER on 2008-02-18 03:12:47

You’re nothing but a fucking retard. First off, the statistics are NOT in the 360’s favour, the ps3 is clearly more powerful on paper alone. It is also obviously more powerful, your fanboyish attitude clouds your vision. Secondly, as for 360 being smoother than ps3? IT WAS PORTED BY EA! Fuck sake, any true gamer knows by now that EA makes shitty ports for the ps3 (orange box, carbon, pro street etc) and that EA has actually announced making PS3 their master-console instead of 360. This is because it is EASIER to port DOWN to a weaker system (sorry but its true, EA’s own words) than it is to port to a more powerful system. NOW, this is where I get to the main part of your post. You go on about how games were “cancelled” for the ps3, but in reality it was THIRD-PARTY game developers that didn’t know shit about the ps3 until Sony started sending out Dev-Kits (Look it up…)to developers. If you want to know of some games NOT coming to 360, but on ps3, LET’S SEE UMM, Haze, Unreal Tornament III, MGS4, Killzone 2, Crysis 1.5(yes it’s coming, and it’s not a rumour, also MIGHT be on 360 if they have time). The first 2 were actually CANCELLED and are only on ps3,(haze and UT3).

For your final “rant and rave” about BLU-RAY, let’s see. A “next-gen console” with a last-gen optical drive and format? No thanks, i’d rather have a format with size at LEAST 10x(50gigs) what is on your Dual-DVD’s (9 gigs), and that is just single layer! Game’s are getting much bigger, and who want’s compressed games when they can have games with full worlds, AI, physics, graphics etc?
Another thing, NO ONE KNOWS WHY Rockstar forwarded GTA IV’s release date. All that is known is RUMORS. I could just as easily say that the reason is because Rockstar had a hard time fitting a game on a DVD disk… Or that not all 360’s are guaranteed a hard-drive inside so rockstar had to find a workaround.

And lastly, as for your comment on ps3 owners saying “blu-ray this, blu ray that”, hey, at least we are rooting for a next-gen format that has DEFEATED HD-DVD, established itself as the NEXT-GEN format, and is being used in many ps3 games now, and to come. At LEAST ps3 owners didnt go hardout for a game like “omg halo3 will pwn ps3, shame you dont get halo 3, halo 3 beats killzone etc” when the game wasnt that much better than halo 2 (fact)…

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-02-18 20:41:13

“NOW, this is where I get to the main part of your post. You go on about how games were “cancelled” for the ps3, but in reality it was THIRD-PARTY game developers that didn’t know shit about the ps3 until Sony started sending out Dev-Kits (Look it up…)to developers. “

Ummm Sony was charging the Dev’s 3 times what Ms was… untill they droped there price… (sony loves doing that when things arn’t going there way). to back the Wii sux, there dev-kit are free to anyone…. thus the large # of shat games.

“If you want to know of some games NOT coming to 360, but on ps3, LET’S SEE UMM, Haze, Unreal Tornament III, MGS4, Killzone 2, Crysis 1.5″

ok 1st off I hate halo, everything i hear about Haze is that it’s “all halo and more” halo 3 is dead cod4 is played more on Xbox live… thus i wouldn’t hold much hope for a new halo thats not really a halo. oh and btw Unreal Tornament III is a timed ps3 only, in about a year the 360 should have it.. and MGS4 look to the past.. every MGS starts out only on a PS of some kind. Than it goes around to other consoles like a cheap whore.

Now Killzone 2 DAMN that looks nice! Will it make me buy a ps3,,, maybe. I’m not trading in my 360..

“when the game wasnt that much better than halo 2 (fact)…”

yes i agree with u.. but thats just a opition (curse my bad spellin) just like mine

Comment by Roger Rabbit on 2008-02-29 01:34:49

First of all let me start out by saying I have both Xbox360 and PS3. Also I’m a little dyslexic so my grammer and spelling is gonna be off. The 360 was out a year longer than the PS3 so developers have had time to get to know programming for it and all that tech. lingo, but even past that is the quality of games. The PS3 imo just doesn’t measure up to the variety of games the 360 has.

Hear me out…the 360 has at least one game in every genre that is worth playing. H3(I hate Halo3, but it sold well) for the fps, Forza2 for racing, etc. But when the PS3 has only one game worth playing across all genres…c’mon now. Resistance was the main selling point in my decision to buy a PS3. I was so stoked when I got one I hooked it up and gamed for hours. I was dissapointed. The game just wasn’t that great. The 360’s games are just…better.

As far as HD-DvD vs. Blu-Ray is concerned, I couldn’t care less. I don’t notice the difference when I’m watching the same movie on either format. But I guess it comes down to how much shit can be put on Blu-Ray discs. Don’t get me wrong, I love a good sized game with a huge open world like Oblivion, but to be honest with you, I think games can only get so big before it becomes bothersome.

Graphically, I think both are impressive but the PS3 is just starting to barely nudge ahead of the 360. Uncharted looked great, but so did GoW a year ago. But with MGS4 coming this summer, I might shit my pants. That game looks amazing. However, we can’t necessarily count the 360 out yet because we have yet to see GoW2.

To sum up…both systems have strong points. The 360 has quantity of good games and the PS3 has potential to be more graphically impressive. All I can say now is that I can’t wait to see what next-next-gen has to offer.

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-03-02 00:50:56

Ps3’s are absolutely bloody marvellous,360’s on the other hand are rather poor.That’s not just a fact,it’s my oppinion and I’m not a fan boy I don’t even like the 360.

Comment by stevoslice on 2008-03-03 19:00:11

I think the original GTA would look better on the atari jaguar, look at the facts

Blah blah blah cd drive
100x blah


This is a gay argument!!!!

Comment by The_Glovner on 2008-03-03 22:27:11

My cock is bigger than your cock.

Fuck off, I win.

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-03-06 13:55:56

Maybe,but mine is quieter, more reliable and has a blue tooth!

Comment by Bryer on 2008-03-04 13:41:31

Does the PS3 not have all games on a blu-ray disc??? If so the read time of the blu-ray drive is much much slower then the DVD drive of the 360, so I expect the load times and buffering to be better by a huge margin on the 360….

Comment by Ps3versionWILLtriumph on 2008-03-07 02:08:28

Much much slower? Yes, but I would rather have a next gen format that fits over 10x what dvd can (including future dual-layer upgrades). Games will only be able to fit on dvd9 for so long until they start getting too big, thats where ps3 will acquire its win. But what about compressed data to take up less space? Yes, but that will lead to long load times../

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-03-20 12:34:37

and u have a 5GB random spot on your HD for every game u play… enjoy!

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-03-23 18:53:17

And you will soon have a burnt spot where your xbox once was,enjoy!

Comment by Scott Bowen on 2008-03-04 19:12:45

It is slower which is why a few games (dmc4) install so much info on to the hard drive to increase load times.

Comment by Essex Boy on 2008-03-17 10:11:32

I like Xbox, good console, however i’d just like to add my worth.

Metal Gear Solid 4


Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-03-20 12:33:11

I can’t wait to play that on my 360 in next year or 2….

what your asking… Just look at the past MGS games

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-03-23 19:40:14

Lol…you think your xbox is going to last a year or two?get that window open and it might see next week!

Comment by matty g on 2008-03-17 10:56:35

it is loads better on xbox 360

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-03-23 18:59:27

oh no it isn’t!!!

Comment by jim on 2008-03-19 12:22:48

ps3 = gay

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-03-23 18:49:02

Takes one to know one!

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-03-23 19:27:16

Ever since I upgraded from xbox to Ps3,discussions like this make me feel increasingly smug which is always nice.That said,I urge all xbox owners to hang on in there because:1…everyone loves a plucky loser 2…your local fire department will appreciate the practice 3…although the Ps3 is already totally awesome,there’s a chance it could become even more mind bogglingly awesome with a little competition (and lets face it the xbox offers LITTLE competition).

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-03-26 02:09:27

“Ever since I upgraded from xbox to Ps3,discussions like this make me feel increasingly smug which is always nice.”

LOL ok i have three guys at work that also “upgraded” in your terms… but then they found out the PSN Sucked balls… and wow i didn’t think they were tellin the truth about how bad it was…

“That said,I urge all xbox owners to hang on in there because:1…everyone loves a plucky loser 2…your local fire department will appreciate the practice 3…although the Ps3 is already totally awesome,there’s a chance it could become even more mind bogglingly awesome with a little competition (and lets face it the xbox offers LITTLE competition).”

1. plucky loser??? umm Right. From Wikipedia
Worldwide sales figures

1. Wii: 20.13 million, as of December 31, 2007
2. Xbox 360: 18 million, as of February 22, 2008
3. PlayStation 3: 10.49 million, as of December 31, 2007

2. when has a 360 set a house on fire??? ohh i see it’s the normal rant about the 3RRoD.. i don’t by in the that BS i have a launch 360.. i haven’t had a issue yet

3. Little competition??? but i thought The Great wiki said otherwise

Comment by k.cadz on 2008-03-24 12:12:25

the ps3 graphics and sound are much better the xbox360 isnt that good you have to pay to play online games so when gta iv comes there will be more ps3 gamers online. rockstar are getting paid by microsoft so rockstar cant say its better on ps3 so you dont know maybe rockstar like it better on ps3 they just dont want to say. so micrsoft you cant say gta iv is better on xbox360

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-03-26 01:54:19

First off, learn a little grammer plz.

“isnt that good you have to pay to play online games so when gta iv comes there will be more ps3 gamers online.”

LOL if the 360 hasn’t sold almost 2x as much as the PS3 then yes.

From wikipedia:
Worldwide sales figures
1. Wii: 20.13 million, as of December 31, 2007
2. Xbox 360: 18 million, as of February 22, 2008
3. PlayStation 3: 10.49 million, as of December 31, 2007

“rockstar are getting paid by microsoft so rockstar cant say its better on ps3 so you dont know maybe rockstar like it better on ps3 they just dont want to say. so micrsoft you cant say gta iv is better on xbox360″

Or maybe they don’t want to piss off a the console thats winning?

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-03-26 02:11:01

lol i tell him to learn grammar and then i mess up.

Comment by pjf on 2008-03-30 17:31:23

Going on the quality of grammer and the type of language used in some of the above posts it is evedent that sony fanboys seem to be rather thick, uneducated types, with no hope of a better future.

As I am an old geezer with a well paid job who still enjoys gaming I have purchased both consoles..And a really powerfull PC. And from personal experience these are my findings. PC just wipes the floor with both 360 and PS3. You have to see a game like Crysis on high setting to really see what they can do with graphics these days. The PS3 is a relly sexy machine but its exclusive games are seriously lacking. Games like Crackdown and GoW on 360 are just light years ahead of anything the PS3 can presently offer. The thing I hate about the 360 besides that it is made by Microsoft is that it is so noisy. But for pure gaming experience it wins hands down.

Now back to the argument. Something that might settle this is the fact that most 360 owners could be playing GTA4 right now if it wasnt for the dual launch agreement with Sony. The 360 version has been ready for months and the release has been delayed as Rockstar could not get the game running smoothly on PS3.
So GTA4 has been developed primarily for 360 and ported to PS3. So the question is, do you want to play the ported version.

If you are a true gamer then the answer should be no.

Comment by PS3inMYopinion on 2008-03-30 22:24:00

pjf, okay its good to see you have an open view on things, but there are some things that you have overlooked (well in my opinion anyway). For one, GOW and crackdown. PS3 can easily match (and pass, going by experience, reviews and conversations ive had) these with Uncharted and Eight Days, which is coming soon. If you havent seen a trailer, you must!

PC is good, and of course will be more powerful than consoles in the future, but how many exclusives come out for it? Sure, it gets 360’s games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, GOW, etc but it doesnt get any of ps3’s (which are turning out to be pretty good; killzone 2, Crysis 1.5(strong evidence its true, but still rumour), Resistance 2, MGS4, etc. Also, PC can be quite expensive to upgrade, especially if you’re like me and still have an agp motherboard with only 2 ram slots, 2.66ghz P4, and a 6600gt lol.

However, i am actually glad I own both, Halo 3 is turning out to be more fun than I thought.
One more thing, NO ONE knows about Rockstar’s reason in delaying GTA IV. There was one site I read an interview with a person who was making the game, and the interviewer asked if the fact that 360 uses dvds created limitations for 360 development, to which he replied “yep”.

PS3 is far more powerful than 360, so unless rockstar sucks like EA, they will make it run better on ps3, like Infinity Ward did with COD4. I doubt that the 360 version is being ported to ps3, highly. They have taken an extra YEAR. They are most likely doing the best they can for both consoles, which is good for every gamer, no matter what console.

Comment by SNICKOTHEMULE on 2008-04-03 02:18:51

The 360 and the PS3 are almost equal but for different reasons. The PS3 has a more complicated CPU than the 360 with more specialty processing, but the 360 has more general processing. That is merely for calculations. The 360 GPU has customizable pipelines while the PS3 has fixed.

As for which version will be better, no one can tell (especially some piss weak biased magazine who don’t know what the fuck they are talking about).

But if i was to guess……… they will be the same. Only minor tweaks here and there but nothing major.

Comment by danthecat on 2008-04-09 17:13:44

Hello all. My wife works for an insurance company. She deals with loads of faulty XBOX360s every day, yet she can count the amount of faulty PS3s on one hand. Surely that is a slightly more important point in the fanboy argument? Either way, we can all enjoy GTA soon and it’s the gameplay rather than the graphics which will be great on either platform..

Comment by Lotus 111s on 2008-04-10 14:31:14



And yes that was supposed to be in caps.

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-04-11 12:55:59

We like arguing,who are you to try and stop us?
We shall argue on the beaches,
We shall argue on landing grounds,
We shall argue on the fields and in the streets,
We shall argue in the hills,
We shall NEVER stop arguing!

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-04-11 19:48:20

did it just get loud in here?

Comment by tubster on 2008-04-13 12:55:58

Right, everyone. Why the bloody hell has all of the Demonstrations been on the Xbox 360? All of the Press Demos have been on the Xbox 360, They havent even see the PS3 version. Due to ‘Techinical Problems’ or maybe because the PS3 is shite. And the PS3 controllers are not good, Where did the trigger ideas come from (Xbox 360), And all of the Specs that Joey posted are bloody awesome for the Xbox, just you sony fanboys cannot get your head round them.

Comment by Lotus 111s on 2008-04-13 18:03:19

For gamepad triggers you should remember that the Dreamcast had them long before the Xbox1 even exsisted.

And to quote Rockstar:


So please let this thread die FFS.

Comment by LOLATYOU on 2008-04-14 03:04:17

Alright, “tubster” lets get a few things straight. It is highly improbable that Rockstar would make a “shite” version of any console game they develop… And also, you are forgetting that Call of Duty 4 was 360 advertised and not ps3, BUT in the end the ps3 version was better (yes, Infinity Ward says so, so dont even try to argue against this statement).

I like how you quote ‘Technical problems’ as if it is from a source but then you say “or maybe because the ps3 is shite”. PS3 is loads better than 360, developers are starting to realise the potential of the Cell and games made exclusively for ps3 have better graphics than 360 FACT. Look at Haze, 360 lost this game and it is one of the best graphics games on ps3, what does that tell you?

360 is an awesome system, and I enjoy it a lot, but in the end ps3 will win this generation. Sales are boosting above 360’s now (360 is still winning because of the year head start), and people are even trading in RROD’d 360s for ps3s. Either way, enjoy GTA IV on whatever system, its the game that counts not what system its on.

Comment by Ivan_PSP on 2008-04-13 19:57:10

Grand Theft Auto IV for PLASTATION 3 will definitely be the best version with more texture according to Rockstar Games and no loading or Red Light of Death. Playing this game on Xbox 360 will blow up first day. The PS# edition will sell more and better Xbox 360 is not a real next gen gaming console just a poser…

Comment by Jesse on 2008-04-14 05:18:42

Where do you get that idea from?

Comment by Dr. NiK on 2008-04-14 12:57:22

OMG you bunch of geeks!

Comment by Mr Chris on 2008-04-15 08:03:38

Wow this post has made me lol in work for 15 minutes solid. Brilliant. I’m on my 3rd 360 and recently bought a PS3. I’ll be getting this game on PS3 but only because I dont trust the 360’s reliability. Gameplay and Graphics will be pretty much the same on both formats. Just enjoy whichever one you have!

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-04-21 20:06:02

your going to miss out on stuff…

Comment by IVAN on 2008-04-16 22:44:34

ya some dumass niggaz no shityass box is gonna beat a ps3 so stop ur shit sayin the box is better then the ps3 theres no way the box is goin to beat the ps3…ps3 rules the box…cuz aint nothing but a shity box that aint worth shit but wasting time

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-04-21 20:06:29

in English???

Comment by IVAN on 2008-04-16 22:45:47

the box licks ass

Comment by IVAN on 2008-04-16 22:49:01

i dont see no ps3 with no red light of death fuckin box within a month of havin that hoe u get the red light thats a waste of money for some shity ass microsoft product….

Comment by Ivan_PSP on 2008-04-19 02:31:58

ps3 is the best system GTA IV will be better on Blu-ray Disc DVD9 sucks.

Ivan_PSP PSP destroy all

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-04-21 20:16:46

LOL wow you can’t type can you? u like blue-ray. have at it. you’ll enjoy those 5gb installs to your hard drive. if sony would have waited you won’t be suck with a 2X blue-ray drive!
Oh and about those RROD haven’t u seen a lack of stories about them… ya Microsoft made some bad systems but they owned up to it are are fixing them one by one. I’ve been lucky i own a launch 360.. no RROD & I’ve been told if not yet then it won’t happen for quite a many years.

plz if u reply to this… do it in English plz

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-04-22 09:53:05

Quite a many years…English?
Launch 360…no RRoD…Truth?

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-04-23 02:02:49

Yes truth
before god i tell u that!

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-04-21 22:41:44

You need to do more research Lone Goat. Heres the FACTS:

[B]2x Blu-ray Drive (72Mbps(9MB/s))[/B]
Single Layer (2x CLV) - Constant Linear Velocity (Same speed across entire disk)
Double Layer - Couldn’t find any data but no games have been released on a double layer yet.

Entire Blu-ray Disk is read at 9MB/s.

[B]12x DVD-Rom Drive SL (9.25MB/S-15.85MB/s(AVG ~8x(10.57MB/s) DL (4.36MB/s-10.57MB/s(AVG ~6x(7.93MB/s)[/B]
SL(DVD-5) 12x Max (5-12x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
DL(DVD-9) 8x Max (3.3-8x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)

In Summary:

360’s DVD on Single Layer (4.3GB) DVD is 1.57MB/s faster than PS3’s Blu-ray
360’s DVD on Dual Layer (9GB) DVD is 1.07MB/s slower than PS3’s Blu-ray

Consider very few games these days are on single layer discs, there is proof that PS3’s Blu-ray drive is faster than the 360’s DVD drive. The fact the PS3’s Blu-ray laser operates at a higher wavelength, means the track pitch is finer also means seek times are much better than DVD.

So THERE, now what do you think of blu-ray? And come on, you know that if 360 was the one with the next-gen disc drive you would be SHOVING it in PS3 owner’s faces. But you can’t and that’s just how it is. We get 25gig minimum games, you get 9gig maximum games.

Another thing, yes we have “seen a lack” of RROD stories. It looks like even Microsoft got tired of sucking money out of their customers and fixed it after a while. The fact of the matter is that 33% of 360’s were defected, and now it is 16%, still MUCH higher than the ps3’s 0.2%. Sony would never ship a console with those kinds of failure rates, the ones that Microsoft handed out like lollys on halloween. Yes, you are lucky that your 360 hasnt broken, but should you actually even HAVE to worry? As a gamer (just like you) I wouldn’t wish a broken console upon you, or anyone.

Last thing, those 5gb installs…yea…umm games on the 360 are beginning to implement them. GTA IV, for example, features the option (its only an option because all 360’s don’t have hard-drives) for a 5gig install on the 360, while it is mandatory on the ps3. I’m not going to go into the details of this install, but lets just say its to… “help” the 360 compete with ps3 performance wise. Otherwise it wouldnt have been needed, right?

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-04-23 02:05:07

“Last thing, those 5gb installs…yea…umm games on the 360 are beginning to implement them. GTA IV, for example, features the option (its only an option because all 360’s don’t have hard-drives) for a 5gig install on the 360, while it is mandatory on the ps3. I’m not going to go into the details of this install, but lets just say its to… “help” the 360 compete with ps3 performance wise. Otherwise it wouldnt have been needed, right?”

LOL wow thoes installs are only temp files!!! it uses the hard drive thats open for more Ram… crap it’s late.. more tomarrow

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-04-23 02:27:10

No, unlike other games which use the hard-drive as cache (bioshock), GTA IV has the optional 5gig install.

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-04-25 01:30:32


Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-04-26 00:31:53

Heres one of the many sites ive found. But just remember “google is your friend”. I shouldn’t have to be giving out links ALL the time. Although I understand that you would want some proof. Personally I think that it sucks, we are on CONSOLES. Why should we have to worry about disc space for games? And even though it is optional on 360, people who don’t, or can’t, install are going to feel (and probably actually are feeling) like they are playing a worse version of the game.

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-04-26 01:06:06

Woops forgot the link :S

Comment by lone goat on 2008-05-01 11:40:27

Ummmm LOL ok if that link is true then where can I do it??? I havent seen that option in my game yet.

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-05-01 13:07:00

lol turns out it was just a rumor then. That’s Bad luck cos now 360 version has worse framerate and draw distance… ahwell. Enjoy the game on any system, and your DLC :)

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-05-03 20:07:57

“That’s Bad luck cos now 360 version has worse framerate and draw distance… “

LOL tell that to my bro-in-law… lol he’s pissed. we looked at them side by side. just the same.. with no install… even with a launch 360.

Comment by Lotus 111s on 2008-04-23 08:04:47

I have posted this 1UP interview with Sam Houser (Rockstar’s founder)as news but incase it doesn’t get put up here is quote from it.

1UP: Let’s talk about the hardware issues. Back when GTA4 was delayed, PS3 technical hurdles were cited as a contributing factor. I take it those have been ironed out.

SH: I don’t know what anybody’s said on that stuff. I didn’t say anything, and I stay out of it…. Both machines are absolutely fantastic, but they both come with strengths and weaknesses. The strength of the 360 is a very, very accessible, familiar, effective environment to work in. You’re making the game from the get-go, everyone understands its PC environment — boom, off we go. It’s pretty good. One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don’t have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It’s a slightly bigger DVD disc.

1UP: Plus, you’re not guaranteed a hard drive in every system.

SH: That’s a complicated one. I met with a bunch of the senior fellows from [Microsoft]. I said, that’s kind of complicated…. The upshot of the technical challenges we’ve experienced on either the 360 or on the PS3 is [that] both companies stepped up to the plate and have supported us in a way that was beyond even my greedy expectations. They’ve been amazing. I think that the 360 is going to have to get ’round this issue we’re talking about. I can think of various ways they can do it. Hopefully, they’re going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it’s going to become more of an issue. If we’re filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It’s not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue’s on the table with a bunch of games right now. I’m sure they’ll come through with an intelligent solution.

Getting things running on the PS3 initially was challenging. I think it was challenging for a lot of companies, but it’s also a machine where, now that we’ve got comfortable with it — I don’t want to say we’ve cracked it, but we’ve got comfortable with it — we know we can make our games. We’re at a point now where the games pretty much look identical side by side. There’s a slight difference in the way they look. I think that’s to do with really low-level technical stuff that I’m not the guy to explain. The 360 games have a certain look to them; PS3 games have a certain look to them. I like the way [the PS3] renders. There’s a certain kind of softness without being blurry — some warmth to it — and then there’s a certain more clinical element to how the 360 looks. Both have plusses and minuses. As far as I’m concerned, they’re neck and neck now. That’s very much our goal; we do not want to get in the middle of that rather heated, fervent debate…. These guys who wanna defend their systems, you know what? Good on ‘em, and let them do it. We just didn’t want to give them something that would in any way fuel it….

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-04-23 08:39:08

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Comment by John on 2008-04-23 13:10:45

The whole problem I have whith the my-console-is-better-than-yours argument is that everyone points to the system specs (wich are pratically the same … no matter how many times you type: CELL!).

Side-by-sides show, to my eye, that PS3 has better grapics….Slightly … barely noticable… but better. But, grapics is low on my list for what makes a good game.

Video games are a console’s fule. Without them all you have is an expensive hunck of steel, copper, and glass. And PS3 just doesn’t have the games I want to play.

Before you scream: “X-Box Fanboy! CELL! CELL! CELL!”, let me say that I was sure I’d never own an 360. Durring the PS2-XBOX years I only owned a PS2… xbox had nothing I wanted to play, and ps2 had everything I wanted to play.

I’d love to put the 360 potato down and pick up the familiar dualshock. But I really like Mass Effect, My friends play COD4 on XBL, it just so happens I prefer wired controllers for Rockband (did ps3 release wired controllers? I couldn’t get them in my area). While many titles are shared across the platforms, PS3 just hasn’t produced my console-justifing game.

Recently I have to ask myself: “is MGS a game I would (effictavly) pay $465.00++ to play?” I still haven’t made that decision.

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-04-23 23:04:46

Good points John. Whatever console people choose should make them happy. We should all be grateful that we have a choice in this day and age. One thing though, ask yourself this question “is MGS4, Killzone 2, Haze

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-04-23 23:16:47

Damn submit button…

I meant “is MGS4, Killzone 2, Haze, Motorstorm 2, and Crysis 1.5″ worth buying a ps3 for? YES

Comment by hoie ehi on 2008-04-26 06:38:07

they are releasing crysis on ps3??

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but seriously everyone that wants to buy a ps3 i advise you to wait tlill later this year new models with massive hard drives are comin out which will obviously have worked out a few problems aswell like the new v.2 premium 360. and by then home will be avaible and in game chat and all that.

Comment by Mattza on 2008-04-24 22:09:24

LETS PUT AN ENDING TO THIS, If you want to buy an Xbox 360 go for it, if you want to buy a PS3 go fo it, i bought a PS3 as i know it will crap all over the 360 in the future.

Cheers, Matt

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When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwa$hed on 2008-04-28 01:03:58

LOL you are an idiot xboxoooowwwwwner. PS3 is more powerful than 360… its a FACT. Just like the sky is blue, or that we rotate around the sun. You should do more research before you post, seriously. I don’t think you can start on Sony for “under delivering on technical performance” when 1 in 3 360’s got the RROD, and now the problem has been “fixed” it’s still around 16% failure rate.

GTA IV is better on PS3, I thought you guys would have already known this by now. The first official review/video review is actually on the PS3 version, but the reviewd 360 as well. The reviewer says on page 5 or 6, that the ps3 has far better distance rendering (meaning you can see more of the city, cars, people, etc, at one time), and better anti-aliasing (less jagged lines). It also looks more real. The supposed advantage that the 360 has is richer colours, but I wouldn’t worry too much about that, seeing as how most reviewers don’t even have the ps3 display settings set right, (see Assassins Creed comparison). Anyway, both versions are going to be AMAZING and awesome, it’s just a shame ps3 owners can’t play online with 360 owners :(

Comment by bob on 2008-04-27 19:10:28

hahahahahahahahaha all i can say is lets wait 5 years then well have same talk bout whos better. rocktar have said personlaly they dont know how there gonna fit the next gta on lot keep going on bout graphics i want my games to be huge and get my moneys worth. xbox had ripped ppl of from the start, buy this and buy tht and oh sry u gotta pay for this to like the wirless and a plug and play kit and what the hell is wit a 20g hard drive tight gits. now sony u get wirless free,online gaming free, bluetooth, controllers with built in batterys and free charger and the best of all it works with loads and isent locked down.

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not onle does the ps3 have better hardware but it also has blue ray disc the blue ray can hold so much more that a regular disc meaning that they can but more detail without hurting the game play soon the ps3 will take over but it may be a wile but who knows

Comment by Chris on 2008-04-27 20:23:55

you need to go reasearch gears of war 2 and see if your killzone 2, 3 whatever is gonna compeate, dont get me wrong, i hated GOW but it looked damn good.

Comment by Graham Klerks on 2008-04-27 20:52:46

Wow, so many fanboys. Listen, I read something about dev’s talking about PS3. If they want to port a game to the Ps3, they prefer NOT to as it looks much better and is EASIER to design it for PS3 THEN port it to 360.

Before I get lambasted about being a fanboy myself I have both consoles. Yes, I’ll be buying it for PS3, but this is a decision I’ve taken several days to come to - my reserve was placed on a copy for X360. R* won’t comment on which version is superior as they want to sell it on both consoles! I’m buying it on PS3 due to the features they could offer with Home, the slight edge it has on graphics, and i’m not too bothered about episodic content on X360. (Plus, summer is coming and my 360 likes dying in the summer, twice now!)

It’s gonna be an awesome game guys don’t waste time on here flaming each other.

Oh, and to truth, the dip**** who thinks the X360 doesn’t have DDR3 RAM, it does. It’s called graphics memory you ****ing doofus. I bought my ATI Radeon X1950 Graphics card when the X360 came out and it has DDR3, It’s not new technology!!

xboxoooowwwwwner - Someone else who has been seriously mis-informed. PS3, as a console IS better then the X360. But consoles don’t make the console, games do. M$ has the edge here. The PS3 is rumoured to support graphics of 1440p (the next stage up from 1080p) and even possibly 2160p. The X360 would have difficult achieving this.

Again, Before anyone calls me fanboy…I have two X360’s, and have always preferred the control pad’s, and have most of my games on the X360. No offence PS3 owner’s, but I wasn’t going to wait 16 months for Hi-Def gaming, when M$ had it out on the market already. X360 owner’s, you’ve gotta realise same games look better on PS3, some on X360.

And the fact that these games companies are vying for your attention is good, it means they’ll make the games the best they can - but this doesn’t mean you gotta start flame war!

If theres one thing I hate it’s stupid people telling other people things they believe are true, but they’re not!

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Comment by James on 2008-04-28 18:21:08

OMG!!!! No matter how you slice it, GTA is going to be the best game of the year for both systems. I hear soo many people argue over what system is better. If your a true gamer like you say you are, you should have both systems plus a gaming PC (which is the best in my book). The real question is, wouldn’t it be sweet if you could play multi-player with anyone on any system? As a beaten down black man once said “can’t we all just get along”?

Comment by gavs on 2008-04-30 03:53:12

i have 120gb xbox elite and i have the 60gb ps3 i bought GTA IV for both of my consoles and dam i love them both…BUT here comes the BUT :D for some reason the game doesnt run smooth on the xbox it lags and its annoying but on the ps3 it runs smooth and the graphics look slightly better on the ps3? how is this? im not a computer genius but these things stick out like a sore thumb!

Comment by lone goat on 2008-05-01 11:35:34

Why would u buy it for both?

Comment by Hezzy on 2008-05-01 13:33:32

I think in the end it comes down to what you can afford, the xbox is much cheaper than the ps3 and can still provide this game. i;ve been a fan of playstation since the beginning (ps1) but i bought an xbox the last week due to the PS3’s high price tag. GTA 4 on the xbox is fine for me, but thats just me. if you have the money to spend then enjoy it on either platform but the gameplay and enjoyment of the game is the winner not the thing its played on. i’m sure the PC version will eventually win this war (if they make one) but you’d probs have to spend the equivilant of buying an xbox and a ps3 lol for it to do that. Enjoy the game!!!!!!

Comment by cheese on 2008-05-02 08:48:10

IMO the reason why the 360 looks just as good as the ps3 is because the ps3 is not being used to its full potential. No one knows how to use the damn thing.. its too powerful

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-05-09 10:39:29

or maybe it’s the ps3’s lack of a good GPU? 7 cell CPUs are pointless then

Comment by 360fanboys=brainwashed on 2008-05-10 02:17:56

I can’t belive people are still saying ps3 has shit graphics capibilities. Look at Killzone 2, it looks better than any 360 game by far. Uncharted and GT5 look better than any 360 game. Sure its the gameplay of games that counts… But when people say ps3 has shit graphics…well thats just dumb and naive. And why is anyone still on this message board, we all know that PS3 GTA IV looks and runs better. The fight is finished

Comment by Lone Goat on 2008-05-10 13:13:18

“And why is anyone still on this message board, we all know that PS3 GTA IV looks and runs better. The fight is finished”

just b/c u say your right. i’ve said it once, i’ll say it again. tech wise, the ps3 Should be lightyears ahead. But killzone 2 is the only game i’ve seen (btw its not even out yet, soo can that even count?) Uncharted… Right sorry not that great, and GT5 i havn’t played or seen yet..
every test i’ve seen has it close but there always be fanboys on one side bitching b/c theres lost and/or the test wasn’t fair..
ps3 could use a better GPU/ram and the 360 could use more CPU power. but u know what… i like them both.. i wish i owned a ps3 but no games on there have made me jump in yet.. killzone2 might be it, but u never know till it comes out.

“Sure its the gameplay of games that counts…”
thats why the ps3 is behind right now.. that one year that 360 had on it gave them the best thing… Time, to make a bunch of games that rocked and get alot of ppl hooked on XBL.

Comment by gavs on 2008-05-03 04:14:11

i bought them both to compare and GTA4 for my xbox seemed to lag more than the ps3 but other than that i cant see no difference between these 2 consoles graphic wise to me is all the same. i also did this with assassins creed.

Comment by xasmir on 2008-05-10 17:16:33

i have both systems and gta 4 , when i play the ps3 ver. it looks blur and the colors faded and when i play the xbox ver. it looks sharp and colorful plus it looks like it has a paint brush effect

Comment by matt on 2008-05-11 18:26:59

Um first of all its grand theft auto 4 and. the game plays well on both systems. the ps3 version has a much better shadow effect. People keep saying the colors look better on 360. this is not true, it to me looks darker damper and dull. most of you guys are fighting over nothing. you are taking way to much pride in these systems… buy what you like and stfu.

Comment by tronyca on 2008-05-12 13:41:19

well i finally decided to get the one for ps3 …it just i like play station always have always will. the on tap power of the ps3 is just too much to imagine just give it time you will all see….. o yeah plus i have the 360 also, so when some good comes out for it ill be there

Comment by phlegm on 2008-05-13 04:24:07

haha ps3, what a waste of time and money hahaha man the ps3 sucks, whats a piss machine, if i had a ps3 i would shit on the cell and smear cream waste of the controller hahahaa

Comment by Fezwit on 2008-05-13 04:29:40

I totally agree man 100%. I find the PS3 really shit, just terrible. Also 360 owns!!, PS3 = baked ham on fecal matter lmao

Comment by enjoyYOUR3shittysWHILEitLASTS on 2008-05-13 04:40:20

Lol keep talking. You, and all the other 3shitty fanboys are shit scared of the Playstation name. You know we have the best reputation in console gaming and have seen footage of Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, Resistance 2, and Uncharted and KNOW that 360 could never handle that. You also know that Rockstar is developing a top secret game for PS3 ONLY. Tell me, if ps3 is so shit, then why are Rockstar choosing to create game on only PS3 right after GTA IV? Because they had trouble with 360 and are cutting it loose, so to speak. “we want to create a game that takes full advantage of the PS3’s power” or something to that effect. Also, any future GTA games (Which there WILL be) will not be on 360 because of the hassles your shitty dvd9 gave them. Face it, M$ fucked up hard on choosing a last gen disc. And now its finally coming around. Enjoy the last year of the 360 and PS3 competition. Cos when 2009 hits, it will be over…

Comment by Fezwit on 2008-05-13 08:14:20

haha settle down haha, they’re only making a game especially for PS3 coz they felt sorry for PS3 owners who got a shit GTA 4. hahahaha

Comment by Fezwit on 2008-05-13 08:20:03

actually i dont really care, sorry man if i offended you, i just like stiring people up over something theyre so passionate about. Myself, i have a 360 and have had to return it twice, and can prob forsee in the near future maybe purchasing a PS3, we’ll see, but for now im not really that much of a gamer to spend that much cash.
peace bro

Comment by enjoyYOUR3shittysWHILEitLASTS on 2008-05-13 09:08:20

Lol, all good bro. sorry as well, ps3’s fail too. It sucks, I thought only PC’s had technical issues, but now… I also just like online rants :P Yea having both consoles would be good. I sort of do, the 360 is my whole familys though so i dont play it much. Enjoyed Halo 3, Gears, Bioshock HEAPS. I dont’ have enough money to purchase games for even one console, regularly. So having both is too much. Man I need a job…

Comment by Mr Chris on 2008-05-13 08:35:39

Wow this is still going strong. That’s great. So which version is best?

Comment by Fezwit on 2008-05-13 08:40:25

i cant say which version is the best, ive only played the 360 version, i’d imagine the ps3 version is equally as good, maybe better or worse. i dont know

Comment by Ex-xbox owner on 2008-05-24 19:12:51

Well you were half right Fezwit, it is infact better (by millions of miles) On another note…lol, this thread is still going strong!
God bless us, everyone.

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sony toshiba and IBM actually designed the cpus in all of the next gen consoles, and the PS3’s GPU is 80% faster than than the 360’s, the PS3’s is clocked at 800MHZ with two 256mb of RAM one clocked at 700mhz and the other at 3.2ghz. the GPU is also aided by two cores of the cell bringing its power up to 7.2ghz
the reason why the games look better on the 360 is because they are ported over from the 360 to the ps3 because microsoft has bought out most of the game makers. the only game that looks better on the ps3 is Grand theft auto IV.

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Comment by 360fanboys=brainwashed on 2008-07-07 22:39:21

Ok, a LOT of what you said is absolute bs and has no source/proof. I highly doubt the ps3’s gpu is 80 PERCENT faster than 360’s, just because even pc video card generations don’t increase that much (6800gt - 7800gt, for example). If you’re gonna argue against a console at least make it fair and have valid points.

Yes, ps3’s gpu probably is/will be more powerful than 360’s when combined with the cell and its 256mb of 3.2ghz XDR memory. But only Sony (and maybe they even don’t) knows the full potential of the ps3’s graphics.

Also, you can not count overall power with a ghz measurement, as you have. You are partly right with the 360 games looking better, however. The early multiplatform games did look better on 360 but GTA IV is definatly NOT the only game that “looks better on ps3″. Oblivion, COD4, GTA IV etc. have been proven to look and play better on ps3, although I couldn’t see any difference between the two COD4’s (Played and finished both).

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Comment by newcarupdate on 2010-11-17 13:37:39

i and my brother love this game ,…… very cool game

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